Do you believe in God or evolution? (Page 4 of 15)

Science said there is no such thing as spontaneous life...

Faith is not an easy choice but there are only two options.  You either believe in a God, or you don't simple as that.   But the choice in itself isn't as simple.  Somehow that made sense.

And us living in a world that has supposedly existed over a billion years doesn't? 

So here you've been protesting God over and over yet when something bad happens it's all His fault?  Assuming God is real he gave His son to man.  God gave us free will to choose because creating something like a robot dog that only loves you isn't quite as satisfying as training that puppy with loving and nurturing and then to have it returned. He also gave us independence but now we have shoved that right back in his face.  God said if no one prays then He will do nothing.  So you assume that those did pray in their final hours are not now in a much better place and have received salvation that has been offered.  And of course there are those who claim to have been 'helped' by some other force to find the exit etc.  We choose whether or not to return His love.  That is a kind of love that I don't think you can quite comprehend.  I can't even begin to understand it.   

And another thing.  Where are these transitional forms the fossil records are referring too?  We still do not have one indisputable evidence.  Val's article states that these transitional forms have been found.  But none of them are listed.

And Appo the Miller-Urey experiment has been rejected by geochemists for quite some time now.  The experiment assumes that there was no free oxygen in the atmosphere at the beginning of time.  But evidence has pointed to the fact that there was.  It also started with an incorrect mixture of elements.

So this discussion is almost utterly pointless as there will almost always be one fact or another that will reject the other except for the thoughts based on faith.  Apparently we are quite set in our beliefs.    Obviously creationism is based on the principles of faith while evolutionists claim it was based on facts.  Both evolution and creation rely on faith to believe their point of view as their is no solid evidence to back either again a matter of perspective.  Please don't come back saying evolution is based on fact because somewhere I'll find something that may contradict what you say.  And then you will either find my source faulty or come up with another fact etc etc.  So it all comes down to faith. 

And again I'm not here to try to convert anyone, just trying to express my point of view.  So I'm sorry if I offended you in whatever I said.  And Appo, please don't go and slander Christianity when you don't have a sufficient understanding of its base principles.

The Universe goes on and on forever. It never ends, as far as we know. How can one being, even if he is supernatural, watch over something that never ends?  He'd be helping endless planets, which makes no sense because then he'd never have time to give Jesus to us or anything.

Even if God is real, does he watch over just Earth? Then where is he? Invisible? In medieval times we believed that God existed in the clouds up in the sky, in Heaven. Now we know that nothings there.

And we know what the center of the Earth is like. There is no Hell or Satan, just a Mantle, an Outer core, and an Inner Core. So Hell or Heaven can't be real.

Science is based on FACT, which means humans have proof that things exist. Faith is based on FAITH, which means that there is ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF.

People who are on the side of faith always argue about how Evolution is wrong, but they can't say anything to supporty their faith because of the lack of proof that God exists.

And Sev, I never said that if anything bad happens that it's his fault. I just said he never helps us.

And when did I slander Christianity?

You never did answer my question. Science "proved" that there was no spontaneus life but it needs it to prove evolution. The experiment you showed was some one tring to prove that there was spontaneus life; not evolution. God is ultimate, he can watch over every thing in a short amount of time. People once believed there was nothing beyond the clouds. That was false. There is something beyond space as well. Hell can be described as a burning place of which no being can escape...if you were stuck in the mantle or core, would you not agree? Also, planets die on their own, look at Venus. Science says it once was alive, as well as Mars. Maybe God sent Jesus to them during their time, and no fossils exist because of a different atmosphere than Earth.

HAHA!  now that's funny.....

You took the cartoon version of hell and use it to prove there is no God?  I understand that there are some sects of the Christian faith that still believe that, but that's NOT the overwhelming opinion on the matter.

I always find it entertaining when you hear the 'scientific community' and it's supporters who are supposed to be the MOST open minded, and that their duty as scientists is to NEVER, EVER, rule out a possability OR ACCEPT one until it had been proven scientifically one way or another.  Appo, you've said over and over again we can't see him, we have no proof...  If you take aside the fulfilled prophecies from the Bible, one of the more recent being the rebirth of an independent Israel, then yeah, then the phisical proof FOR Christianity is pretty thin.  HOWEVER, how is it openmindedness to trash it out of hand? 

As to where is God and Satan, there's lots of theories, just as there's inumberable thoughts on where the 'missing links' are.  I have been taught that they reside within a seperate dimension right here among us; that this other dimension explains the movements of Jesus after the Crusifiction *and if want to call me insane, scientists continue to debate the existance of other dimentions.  When they don't think Religion has anything to do with it, they suddenly seen open to the wildest of ideas....*  Satan, as I have been taught, is ironically enough in Heaven, under lock and key under the personal guard of.............is it Michael or Gabrial...........I don't remember which, but he is to be kept there until Judgement

HAHA! now that's funny....

You say the scientific community isn't open-minded? Try and tell someone religious that God isn't real, they'll be so set that God is real that they won't even think about what the are being told or take into consideration what they are being told, at least in my experience.

The scientific community is will actually change what they think as they learn new things. Before Darwin, scientists didn't even know what Evolution was. As you said, 95% of scientists lean towards Evolution, ehich means that they DO accept new theories, unlike in religion where people are told that THIS is the way it happened. They don't do any research to try and prove that they are correct, they just assume that
Awhatever they believe in is right.

And stop cramming words in my mouth. I never used the "cartoon" versions of Heaven and Hell to say God wasn't real. I SAID SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!

And when did I ever trash or slander Christianity? I don't lie or anything about Christianity. I am not saying this because I am misinformed.

When you said I used the "cartoon" versons of Heaven and Hell, I used them because people used to believe that Hell was located in the center of the Earth and Heaven was up in the sky, which is completely wrong. If that's wrong then what other things about religion is wrong?

And Sev, pretty much nothing in the Bible was ever proven to be true, so how does it give you proof? That makes absolutely no sense.

I am seriously going to stop posting on this thread because it has absolutely no point. I am not getting through to anyone.

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There is more prof for Creation than evolution actually.  But your "Open Minded" Scientist refuse to show or even listen to it. I want everyone here to go and watch this Movie: http://www.expelledthemovie.com/
WATCH THIS it is a trailer: http://www.expelledthemovie.com/playground.php

WOW. See this is what I talk to my friends about all the time.
1st off there is NO "prof" of evolution at all. Yes Darwin was right when he noticed the the birds changed but guess what? It didn't take billions of years. and the birds kept being birds! The bird were not "evolving" they were changing to suit their environment like everything does. There is no focils proving evolution right not even one. There is prof on the other hand of a world wide flood, Jesus and yep that's right Creation! I mean all you have to do is think about where ANYTHING comes from. If you ask some one where the 1st matter came form what do they say? Answer: they say you are stupid and not to ask stupid questions. Why? Because they don't know.
I want everyone here to go and watch this Movie: http://www.expelledthemovie.com/
WATCH THIS: http://www.expelledthemovie.com/playground.php

2ndly Have you ever head of the dead sea scrolls? These are scrolls that have been found and that date back to ruffly 100 AD part of these scrolls have parts of the Bible in them and I will admit not all but most are the same as the Bible we have today.

In the end it is not facts that will change your or my mind it is God. I was a Christian before I knew all the things I know now. I have done this many times and usually the people I debate with just get mad and leave. And it would have been better off if we had never had the debate. Most of us who are Christian are not Christian because facts. And most of you who are not Christian have another reason. And no matter how many facts I throw at you (and I can throw a lot) what I care about and what God cares about is your heart and you as a person not as a mind not as a number to check off but as a friend and as someone to talk to and to love. I hope I got everything across.

If you wan to talk more about facts or anything else you can PM me or e-mail me at: albenjammin@yahoo.com I think I will watch this page.

Just about everything you said here is not what Christians actually believe, just what you assume we believe.

It sucks yo have had to deal with people like that, but the majority of Christians are not like that.

Uhh, wrong. Most people don't belive what they are told because theywere told it. Most of us realize that somethings are probably misunderstood or incorrect, and actually think about it, and come up with our own theories.

However, if someone put an article in the newspaper about how scientists have recently come up with a form of teleportation, most people would believe it.

this point may have already been brought up but if evolution rly did happen then why would it suddenly stop u know what i mean?
i believe god created the earth and all its beings and oceans but how would u define days back then so

Babtist All The Way

Personaly i think evolution is real. And i believe in a creator. J.Fett, dont double/tripple post its considered spam

Evolution doesn't work that fast. Plus, we have just about everything we need.