1 Topic by Valthonin (edited by Valthonin Friday, January 25, 2008 5:06 pm)

Topic: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Ok im starting this topic due to recent events that transpired on the chat room.

I pose the question...

Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

First, you may ask, what is a true Jedi? Well I believe it to be a Jedi who accepts the ways of the Jedi. And I mean the ways that the Jedi Temple describes and puts out. I mean Jedi like Mace Windu, Luke Skywalker, Yoda and Obi-wan Kenobi.

Now you may have noticed that TWO of the Jedi I have just mentioned have used blasters. Those occasions have been certain circumstances:

Luke Skywalker- Used blasters BEFORE he became a true Jedi. He got rid of his blaster in ROTJ when he became a Jedi Knight

Obi-wan Kenobi- Used a blaster to kill General Grievous. However, was it his blaster? No. Could he have used his lightsaber? No. Was he on the brink of death? Yes. He fact was, he either used the blaster or died and Grievous lived. It was an extreme case. And afterwards he did not enjoy the fact that he had to use it.


I believe that a true Jedi accepts the lightsaber as his only weapon. Which is why they train with lightsabers and only lightsabers. Not blasters or grenades. A true jedi is confident with his skill with the lightsaber and relies solely on that. A lightsaber is fit to take on any other saber or blaster, which is why they dont need blasters. It is more destructive than a thermal detonator, which is why you never see them on any Jedi's belt.

Cujo posed this to me, if the Jedi in question has no philosophical beliefs or religion then he can use what he wishes.

I say, if the Jedi in question has no philosophical beliefs or religion, then he is not a true jedi. He is not a Jedi at all. He is simply a force user. Jedi is a title, not a race. Jedi and Sith are force users, they are called Jedi or Sith due to their beliefs. If they have none, then they are not true Jedi.


Peter5158 posed this... Kyle Katarn and Jaden Korr have both used blasters.

Yet, this happened in games. Video games are barely canon at all. As Lord Revan put it, the events that transpire in them are. If the player chooses to use a blaster, so be it. However, in NO cutscene do you see the characters using blasters. They dont even acknowledge them in conversation. The blasters are there to be used for fun, it is not meant to be canon.


What do you think Fett Fans?

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

I have to think that you can be a true jedi and rely on other weapons...even more than the lightsaber. Especially when I think of Etain in the Republic Commando book by KT... She was a jedi that carried a Conc-rifle into battle and felt like she was more effective with it than she was with her lightsaber sometimes. The jedi mostly only use lightsabers because of tradition and the belief that they are a more civilized weapon. But there's nothing that I've ever heard any jedi say that would make me think they have to ONLY use lightsabers... its just something that most of them are trained to do, in accordance with jedi tradition.

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Valthonin wrote:

Kyle Katarn and Jaden Korr have both used blasters.

Kyle Katarn  wasnt jedi in the start, and Jaden Korr somehow made a Lightsaber with out the force, which sould be impossible, because Jedi use the force to bond the materials at a molecular level so yeah, its just cause its a game.



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Revan used a blaster, but that was after his brain was wiped, and did anyone realy use blasters after they got their lightsabers? Realy now.












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...and so its come to this, and every man must face his inner demons. (cue the dramatic music).

ok enough of that.
like a sith im going to deal in absolutes. and will adhere to the universe that lucas and not his proxies have spun (ie- books, videogames, and comic where liberties r taken).

the movies at the pots and pans are cultural battles- ying and yang if you will.
nature vs technology (ewoks vs empire) (gungans vs driod army) and the conflict. if you recall lucas refused to
give up the franchise rights and control of starwars to major studios. so he has a natural aversion to "the man"
and paralells can be drawn in his movies.

the jedi represent- nobility and democracy- and the grace of the eastern culture in many ways. see meditation etc. it is most def a philosophy if not a religion as palpatine calls it in RotS. "the jedi and their dogmatic religion"
i am paraphasing his quote correct me if im wrong.
thus- yes i believe a jedi would scoff at using a blaster/ if for no other reason it is beneath them.
as for kenobi using a blaster on GG to end him, it was that or death by terminal velocity. i believe speilberg worte
the scene or at least directed it. (feel free to correct that)

to wrap this up i believe it was our own "draco" who very deftly pointed out in a topic about fett becoming a force user. a jedi that used blasters or det packs would be considered a "mary sue".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue
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a jedi can use blasters or anything he wants. the jedi is philosophical i admit but RELIGIOUS it is not. where has anyone ever said "it is against the rules to  use a blast or other weapons". Plenty of games havent had blasters you could use before or since if it was just for fun wouldnt it  be in every game.
If you ask me someone saying a true jedi doesnt use blasters or other weapons is discrimination and doesnt deserve to even talk if that is what they must say.

chuck norris once put his finger in the air and said "bang" and a plane crashed but but boba fett once tapped on something and 3 capital ships crashed.

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Ok, Peter, Jedi are religious, the darkside is like evil, and satan and all that.

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cujo wrote:

thus- yes i believe a jedi would scoff at using a blaster/ if for no other reason it is beneath them.
as for kenobi using a blaster on GG to end him, it was that or death by terminal velocity. i believe speilberg worte
the scene or at least directed it. (feel free to correct that)

ok now im 99% sure about what im about to say
since george lucas is not part of any of the official movie making guilds since Indiana jones  Speilberg and lucas cannot work together on a movie

now if you pat attention to the books, Jacen Solo, Jaina Solo, Mara Jade Skywalker, Leia Organa Solo, Luke Skywalker, and i believe Ben Skywalker, Corran Horn, Corran's son (i think his name is valin)  and several other jedi use blaster or weapons other than their lightsabers, mara is kinda obvious since she was an assassin, ben uses a vibroblade on a few occasions Corran's usese a rocket launcher on an occasion, and Jacen Jaina, Luke, and Leia have all used a blaster pistol at the same time as using their lightsaber

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roll w/ the 1% on this one.
check the assistant director list. spielberg "action scene director"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/combined

im not saying a jedi shouldnt use a blaster but that is a whole other ball of wax.
hey if snake eyes a ninja(gi joe) can use an uzi, lets give all jedi a jetpack.
its a convolution of ideals.

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9 Reply by Ale'ika Skirta (edited by Ale'ika Skirta Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:49 am)

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cujo wrote:

roll w/ the 1% on this one.
check the assistant director list. spielberg "action scene director"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/combined

He is the first assistant action scene director

Imdb Glossary wrote:

A First Assistant Director is responsible for the preparation of the shooting schedule and script breakdown used to plan the shooting of a film or television show. The AD works directly with the Director to manage of the minute to minute operations on the set during the process of filming, as well as co-ordinating the necessary communication of details of future operations as the filming progresses. Other duties include tracking the progress of filming versus the production schedule, observing all rules related to union crafts, labor contracts and location agreements, maintaining safety on the working set, and working with the Unit Manager to keep operational costs within the budgeted plan.

so spielberg wouldnt have had as much say in the that scene as you would think

Cujo wrote:

im not saying a jedi shouldnt use a blaster but that is a whole other ball of wax.

really because thats what this makes it seem like

Cujo wrote:

I believe that a true Jedi accepts the lightsaber as his only weapon. Which is why they train with lightsabers and only lightsabers. Not blasters or grenades. A true jedi is confident with his skill with the lightsaber and relies solely on that. A lightsaber is fit to take on any other saber or blaster, which is why they dont need blasters. It is more destructive than a thermal detonator, which is why you never see them on any Jedi's belt.

so now Cujo it seems like you are contradicting yourself

because a lightsaber is not always the best tool for the job especially if you wish to go unnoticed

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Ummmmm Val how is the jedi order a religion? they dont worship anything. The jedi order is a way of life. A way of life that allows blasters

chuck norris once put his finger in the air and said "bang" and a plane crashed but but boba fett once tapped on something and 3 capital ships crashed.

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peter5158 wrote:

Ummmmm Val how is the jedi order a religion? they dont worship anything. The jedi order is a way of life. A way of life that allows blasters

Religion does not require worship of a diety.
However, they are followers of a path, they belive in something greater then them, the Force.

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AA i admit that  but thats a way of life. Do they worship the force no.

chuck norris once put his finger in the air and said "bang" and a plane crashed but but boba fett once tapped on something and 3 capital ships crashed.

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peter5158 wrote:

AA i admit that  but thats a way of life. Do they worship the force no.

But they follow its path, they have a good and a bad side, they try to redeem the fallen when thay can, they are told not to feel anger. Sounds like a religion to me.

Also Cujo, with the blaster/detonator thing, They view themselves as a force for peace, they try not to fight, when they can avoid it.  I agree with your break down of it that you quoted in your last post

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14 Reply by BFFC Cujo (edited by cujo Saturday, January 26, 2008 11:01 am)

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interesting that this particular issue is something people r so passionate about.
anyway...

A Skirta- you may be correct about the duties of an assistant action director etc.
i only know what i read and hear. and i remember hearing speilberg had his hands all over the
kenobi GG battle scene. ill leave the speculating on how much to you.

as for "should a jedi use a blaster", if i was a jedi (which for the record) i am not. i would carry a ranged weapon.
that was the foundation for that statement.

and that last quote was not me homie, it was Valthonin.

as for the religion vs philosophy issue. as per my first post i am foggy on this as well. i try and get in the mind of lucas. and since he wrote the script for episode 3, where palpatine calls it "jedi" a religion. i think lucas did have in mind that the force as high power.
and it goes w/out saying it is not my intention to rattle any cages, or incite anyones ire.
part of the starwars universe that drives my nuts is its sloppy continuity, so there is much room for interpretation.

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peter5158 wrote:

Ummmmm Val how is the jedi order a religion? they dont worship anything. The jedi order is a way of life. A way of life that allows blasters

How is the Jedi Order a religion?


Like Cujo said, in RotS Palpatine clearly labels it as a religion. And as Adeptus said a religion does not need a central thing to worship. What is the headquarters of the Jedi called? The Jedi TEMPLE. Lucas intended the Jedi to be seen as a religion, and i see the movies more canon than anything else.




And as for the ligthsaber question...



Emperor Palpatine wrote:

You want this, don't you? The hate is
swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon.
Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it.
Give in to your anger. With each passing
moment, you make yourself more my servant.

That is from RotJ. A ligthsaber is a Jedi's weapon. And the only jedi weapon. A true Jedi relies only on his skill with the powerful ligthsaber. Not on other uncivilized weapons, as they view them. They dont carry around grenades or blasters or rocket launchers. They only use them in EXTREME situations where a lightsaber is not readily available. If they chose to use another weapon over a lightsaber they have at hand then they do not trust in their skills with the lightsaber or their Jedi training with the lightsaber so....they are not a true Jedi.


As Cujo said, Jedi are not meant to carry other weapons. Then they are basically Mary Sue's. And theres no fun in that.

Jedi aren't supposed to have blasters or other weapons because they are supposed to have SOME flaw as with every other person. They are supposed to be able to actually die. Your character in AoS is a Mary Sue


And by he way Peter...

peter5158 wrote:

If you ask me someone saying a true jedi doesnt use blasters or other weapons is discrimination and doesnt deserve to even talk if that is what they must say.

Now YOU are insulting ME. If you dont like my opinion, then deal with it. But dont freak out and act like a child and not the 26 year old man you claim to be.

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Just got to insult me dont you?

chuck norris once put his finger in the air and said "bang" and a plane crashed but but boba fett once tapped on something and 3 capital ships crashed.

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Also, loads of stuff in the Jedi code is ripped from several non-fiction religions (heavily Christianity) and smashed together.

"You, my friend, are all that remains of their religion."

Hear here. That was Governor Tarkin in ANH, clearly expressing that Jedi/Sith is INDEED a religion. And yeah, Palps said himself in RotS that it was a religion.


Anyways, True Jedi clearly don't use blasters. Luke used his in ESB (he never once fires it anyways) because he didn't have the greatest training with a lightsaber at that time, since Old Ben had him use a remote. And Obi-Wan had no choice in Episode 3, as he clearly did not have his lightsaber, and thus was near death.

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peter5158 wrote:

Just got to insult me dont you?

Stop playing on the "You insulted me" game because you can't prove your point in this topic. I've proven you wrong so now you have to act the victim. How about you argue your opinion and stop acting like child Peter. You're not getting anywhere saying things like that.

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Fett_II wrote:

Also, loads of stuff in the Jedi code is ripped from several non-fiction religions (heavily Christianity) and smashed together.

They use alot of stuff from eastern religions i think.

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I think it was some Eastern stuff, and a few old-European.  I, to add my two cents worth, even if I cannot support it very well tongue, think that to be a True Jedi, one would have to be completely one with the Force and the lightsaber, which is, I believe, thought to be an extension of the body rather than a clunky weapon.  Blasters are cool and all, but their appeal lies mainly with non-Jedi/SIth characters.  Sure Jedi adn Sith use blasters and other such stuff in certain circumstances, but, as Valthonin said in post one of this topic,  Jedi like Obi-Wan, Yoda, Windu, and Luke Skywalker rarely, if ever, use a blaster in the movies after they have become Jedi, unless in dire need (GG vs. Kenobi) 

A self-respecting Jedi would want to show everyone that he or she does not need to rely on anything outside of their mind, body, and lightsaber.  And Sith, due to th arrogance that seems to follow certain ones, refuse to use anything but a blaster for the fact that they are better than that.  (Even though I like Sith better than Jedi)  If they want to be True Jedi/Sith, they typically use nothng but a lightsaer, as a blaster is too "clumsy and random", and not "civilized". 

Again, this is simply my opinion, based of of what I have observed from the movies.  I am not inending to offend anyone, or claim that I know everything.  I am simply stating an opinion. (And I admit, maybe I am wrong: opinions can be based off of mis-information tongue)

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Valthonin wrote:

That is from RotJ. A ligthsaber is a Jedi's weapon. And the only jedi weapon. A true Jedi relies only on his skill with the powerful ligthsaber. Not on other uncivilized weapons, as they view them. They dont carry around grenades or blasters or rocket launchers. They only use them in EXTREME situations where a lightsaber is not readily available. If they chose to use another weapon over a lightsaber they have at hand then they do not trust in their skills with the lightsaber or their Jedi training with the lightsaber so....they are not a true Jedi.

So luke skywalker is not a true jedi?
you people all seem to forget that a lightsaber is not ideal for all situations, when use of a lightsaber will endager others, or draw unwanted attention to themselves or the order

and the jedi order is based upon many easter religions, i've writen a few papers about the religions behind jedi
and palpatine is not the only one to call it a religion Han Solo has as well

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Ale'ika Skirta wrote:

So luke skywalker is not a true jedi?

As I recal, Luke was not fully trained with sabers. Did you ever see him with a blaster in ROTJ?

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like i said before, he never even uses his blaster in ESB. Sure, he holds it a few times, but never fires it, and eventually loses it.

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In the books that take place after the movies he uses a blaster on many occasions as do many other jedi, and dont tell me stuff about the books being like the games where you can or cannot use a blaster, because GL has to approve of everything first

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

That's like saying "Can a true metal head have short hair?" I wouldn't want to see someone call the singer to Pantera non-metal.

So, I'd say they can have a blaster.

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