Mandalorians on upcoming Clone Wars episode (Page 1 of 2)

I would like us all to take a moment of silence in light of this horrible event. Some of us were fans from the start, 31 years ago when Boba first made his appearance in The Holiday Special. That one, short cartoon sparked an interest that led on. Come the next year more joined our ranks. And throughout the years our numbers swelled. And now, after 31 long years our fandom will come to an end. Someone out there decided it would be a good idea to jump on the bandwagon, to take something that they should never have messed with, and twist it to try to make more money. Twist it into something it's not and isn't and never will be, something that is down right impossible, as at the time of the Clone Wars there ARE NO MANDALORIANS BECAUSE THEY DIED YEARS BEFORE AND JANGO IS THE ONLY SURVIVOR AND PASSED ON WHAT HE KNEW TO BOBA WHICH MADE BOBA THE ONLY MANDALORIAN AT THE TIME, in an attempt to bring in a group of viewers who are interested in seeing such things, and in doing so in their sad, pathetic attempts to make money, they will lose us, the very people they're trying to lure in. Sure, a few strong ones will make it through this hard time, but by next year I'm sure all two of us (and the slew of stupid little boys not interested in learning about the serious, in depth story behind everything, just interested in who dies next) will hold onto each other for support in the hope that someday our fandom will return to it's former glory.

I'll miss you guys, I really will. And I only pray I'm one of the survivors, for I'm not certain at all anymore.

Well Miba you're officially wrong. There are Mandos now at this time.

she wrote that there were no mandalorians at this point in the star wars universe. officially now, there are.

Oh, I'm officially correct. As shown in the Open Seasons comic book we clearly see the entire Mandalorian army wiped out by Jedi, and Jango being the lone survivor. Therefore, logic states that Jango is the only Mandalorian in existence. Therefore the only Mandalorians that can come afterwards are only the people Jango trains to be Mandalorians. We can safely assume Jango trained Boba, seeing as Boba later restarts the Mandalorians, so I've heard. Therefore in the time of the Clone Wars Jango is dead. Leaving Boba as the only Mandalorian at that time. So where do these "Mandalorians" in Clone Wars come from? Enthusiasts who got their hands on armor and are faking it?

Feel free to break down the points for each side, here:
http://www.bobafettfanclub.com/fettiped … ndalorians

And I'd like to reiterate, Jango DID train these clones.  Boba is not old enough at this point in time to take the concept of Mandalorians to any appreciable level, the clones are.  Did Boba recieve more personalized training then the clones?  Yep.  Did (we'll use their height of power) King Leonidas personally train every man to pass the agoge?  No, in fact many passed it with no formal training whatsoever, yet those warriors were still called Spartans.

Boba wasn't old enough to even declare himself a "Mandalorian", much less pass the title along to the clones or not.  This needs to be made stock stone clear: The last Mandalorian DIED.  There are no Mandalorians left to hang the title on anyone.  Neither Boba NOR the Clones really have a claim to it.  When Boba later remakes the Mandalorians, he is simply doing exactly what the giant fighting force had many years before the Battle of Yavin.

Jango Fett, the last Mandalorian, trained the clones, but did not give them the title Mandalorians.

Jango Fett, the last Mandalorian, trained Boba, but did not give him the title of Mandalorian.

They honestly both have arguable claims to the term, and had not the Clone Troopers given up on that and become the Storm Troopers, (a sad, laughable shadow of their former glory), then Boba would have had to fight a War of Succession with them over it.

Fortunately, the Empire diluted their genes and their training removing them from Jango's teachings long before Luke and company took care of that for him anyway.

Has anyone gotten to read the new Star Wars Insider yet?  Definitely a different take on the Mandalorians.  Wary of putting spoilers on here yet, but there is one familiar name associated with the Death Watch.  As for everything else, well, you know how it goes.  I had heard on one of the other boards that this wasn't actually going to be the planet Mandalore itself, but a world in the Mandalore system.  However, some of the pics in the new Insider mag are still showing artwork of the city of Sundari, which they're still saying is the "capital" city of Mandalore.  So, I'm not holding out hopes that this is just a colony world, like Concord Dawn or something like that. 

I couldn't help but laugh at one of the interview questions posed to Dave Filoni which read; Did you draw on any Expanded Universe sources when you were developing them (the Mandalorians) for the show?  His answer: "Not particularly."   I kept thinking to myself, "yeah, no kidding Matlock."  Looks like they didn't even make an attempt to research any Expanded Universe info.  Heck, even a cursory search of Wookieepedia would've helped if they didn't want to spend the time doing in-depth research on a particular subject. 

He goes on to say; "There were only a few scant things that George and I actually used (from Expanded Universe sources) in the Clone Wars series itself.  That's not to say that the other EU stuff is eliminated or gone.  I know some people will say, "This isn't the way I pictured it," but we're showing a particular point in their history, which is a very interesting development point.  When I play games like Knights of the Old Republic that have Mandalorians in them, all that history is still there.  We're just looking at one slice of it at this particular moment.  It's bound to be different from some people's ideas."

Again, I say, "well, no kidding Matlock."  What I found amusing is that the article right before the interview is "A Brief History of the Mandalorians."  It mainly touches on different highlights of comics, movies, and games with notations of the Fett's and Mandalorians.  But it specifically has a couple entries referencing the Republic Commando game and novels and the Star Wars Insider #80 article "The History of the Mandalorians" which integrated the disparate sources of Expanded Universe Mandalorian lore into a single retro-active, cohesive continuity.  A continuity that Filoni is screwing up at this "one slice at this particular moment" is Star Wars continuity. 

I've enjoyed watching the cartoon, but with all the continuity errors this dude is creating you'd think he wrote for DC Comics or something.  I'm half expecting a "Crisis on Infinite Coruscants" to fix everything back again.  I think that's what sets people off and disappoints them the most with the Clone Wars series.  It's been taking too many liberties when it comes to things that have already had a history or story done about them.  Seems very disrespectful and rude to the original writer.  I know Filoni has permission from Lucasfilm to write all this on the cartoon, but all the author's that have ever written Star Wars have also had to get Lucasfilm approval so that they don't screw up continuity or canon as well, so it's not like Lucasfilm doesn't know....you know?

It would be like Gene Roddenberry suddenly saying that the Klingon's aren't a warrior race anymore.  They're more like thos space hippies that Checkov's girl fell in with.  "Show me the way to Eden, brother."  I mean, let's face it.  I'm a big Star Trek fan, as well as a Star Wars fan.  And you have to admit the Mandalorians are like the Klingons of the Star Wars universe.  Code of honor, their own distinctive armor, warrior race, aggressive expansion period, and their own language.  I mean, you've never experienced Shakespeare until you've read it in it's "original" Mando'a.  Even the fanbase mirrors it.  First came the Federation costumers, then the Klingon costumers insinuated their way into the Cons.  First came the 501st boys, then finally the Mando costumers are coming into their own at the Cons. 

It's kind of like Bizarro world.....Me Love you guys......

;P

Yes, Death Watch, see that would make sense. That would make a lot of sense, actually. And I would approve of them using Death Watch.

Zivi, firstly, the picture on the cover of Insider there shows Mandalorian armor, which I would assume only be worn by the warriors? I don't see farmers putting on armor and wielding blasters. Like I said before, they might just be pretenders, like if my brother picked up a ninja sword and went around saying he was a ninja, he isn't, he's just pretending. Which I think is what you were trying to say too.
Yeah, Jango did train SOME clones, but do they really have the ability to break away from the army they were born, raised, trained, and altered to serve? I thought the Kaminoans took that sort of individuality and independence away from them.
Also, you can edit, you don't have to post three times in a row.

Sadriel, I agree completely on how he keeps messing things up. We already have a set canon, and now he's trying to go in and change everything and tv is a lot bigger way to reach people than books. Pretty soon all the newbie kids who watch it will be adults claiming they're true fans who know what canon is, and they don't because they've never touched a book. *ahem* On a side note I'd like to say "I told ya so" to everyone in general on this point.

Yeah. It is, actually. If not all the Mandalorians died then..... then why did Jango never get back with them later on? Jango, Mandalore at the time... you'd think if any Mandalorians weren't on that mission they'd try to find him or something?

Han was just being insulting. Remember, he also called Obi-Wan an "old fossil".

ESB has never said anything about when the Empire started. It might could have in the novel, but the original novel also says that Yoda is blue. And the original ANH novel has Red Squadron as, what, Blue? Green? I forget. You can't go by the original novels.

Who shot first was done by the fans whining that Han shouldn't have shot first if he's a hero, and then people whining that it was good before. So blame that one on us. There's not really been any speculation on how old the Falcon is in the books, it's just a beat up old ship. There has only been one idea for where Han got his scar, in the Han Solo Adventures. It has always been from a knife-wound. How old Obi-Wan is was first done in the original ANH novel, I believe, so as I said up there you can't go by that. And in later books it never said one way or the other how old he is. Luke and Leia kissed in ESB, the same movie we got our first hints that they were brother and sister. I'm sure by that point he had that in mind.

So you KNEW the Empire had been there for years and years from.... wait, what source again?

Yeah, the Jedi IS an ancient order. They've been around since pretty much forever. And nothing in OT or PT discourages that.

R2 IS just a random astromech. 3PO IS just a random protocol droid. Neither of these droids have anything to do with connection. I remember something GL said in an interview about the droids. He said that we're sort of seeing the story of SW through their eyes. It's in the August 2000 boxed set re-release of the OT, in the preview of AOTC.

I fail to see how these things changed???

Yes, these Mandalorians who didn't feel the need to follow the Mandalore were called Death Watch. And since it's Death Watch in the new CW then I don't have a problem anymore. In fact I'm almost interested to see this.

It'd make sense to me that some of the Death Watch would still be around.  I mean, they set up the True Mandalorian army, under Mandalore Jango Fett to be wiped out by Dooku's Jedi.  Once Jango escaped from slavery, he took revenge and killed Tor Viszla and his band.  But, not all the Mandalorian warriors were killed at that battle.  Remember that Walon Vau said that he felt like he let Jango down because he wasn't there at the Battle of Galidraan (did I spell that right?).  And there were enough Mando's around to help Jango train the Commando's.  And it says that he actually chose some former Death Watch to help train the Commando's, abeit, probably not the rabid Death Watch soldiers.  Dred Priest and Isabet Rau were supposed to be former Death Watch and I get the impression there were a few more on the Kaminoans payroll, that Jango kept reigned in.  So, the Death Watch part doesn't really bother me so much as Obi-Wan's royal "girlfriend" that's in this episode, who happens to have ties to the Mandalore people.  But, like I said I'm not going to spoil it here.  I can wait for a few days until it comes out.  When you see it, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about and you'll be like......WHAT.......THE........FRAK?........

......really?..........really?...........I mean, really?............

P.S.--.....Darth Flannel......that's a good one, I've never heard that before.  I'll have to remember that.

It seems like your talking as if you had already seen it. That true?