The War in Iraq II (Page 4 of 5)

I'd say in a way you're both right.

Appo's argument has been used by many to make the U.S. *and Bush especially* look like a pure evil machine that crushs any and all who dare oppose our need for oil or whatever.  Realisticly, yes, oil is part of the picture of why we're there.  Anybody with a car has see what a destablizing thing it is for our energy supply to be threatened *and one could note that since 'evil mister Bush' invaded Iraq our oil and gas situation hasn't exactly been the image of bliss... maybe some should realize that maybe there are other factors in play*. 

Fett_II is also very correct in that Iraq is in a region we can't allow to fall apart.  If extreamists or Iran take over Iraq when we leave, all the blood we've spent to get that country back on it's feet will have been for nothing, and we here at home and the free world at large would face a greater threat of terrorist attack then ever before.

Just mho

Iraq now has a stable government put in place by us, along with a military. It's up to them how to handle themselves. And I do not like Iran. Theocracies are my most hated form of government besides Nazis. It just doesn't work.

And I agree with Cecilia 100%.

And I don't think Bush is evil, I think Cheney is the one behind everything. He's the smart one. Bush was just a puppet in my opinion.

We may never be completely oil free, but there are things we can do to help. Such as improve hybrid and gas-free cars. People just don't drive them as much right now because hybrids are considered to be slow, as well as their non-gas fuel being hard to come by. Personally my favorite alternative fuel is hydrogen cell.

A big ole fake wood box with a teeeeny tiny screen to watch on! I remember when I was little that the TV we had since at least when I was born til I was 8 or so our TV was a wood panel faily small TV lolold. At least it was in colour though! The REALLY old TV we had for gaming then was all black and white. And now we have a giant, HDTV over 40 inches long thats less then a year old. Its fascinating how rapidly technology is going (telegraph, radio, black and white TV, colour TV, HD/Plasma TV). 20 years ago our computer had a tiny moniter, with very little things to do on that computer. And no colour, just black and yellow (not even green like how you'd see on old TV shows and movies. Black and a single shade of yellow!). Now I am using something that is flat, portable, can do hundreds of different things (games to writing to webcam to music) with God knows how many colours (skys the limit I guess!).

It is foolish to belive every country will behave the same. Even with democracy, Iraq and Afghanistan will NEVER be like the United States. Our cultures are just so radically different. Theres just no way we'll be able to get the different religious sects to get along. This is the best Iraq is going to get. If theres any place we should be concerned about, its Afghanistan. Which no one has hardly paid attention to since we invaded Iraq. The terrorists that came up with, and came to, the US to fly airplanes into buildings didn't come from Iraq. And the US is still vunerable to attack if anyone so desires. It took foriegn terrorists to show us how vunerable we are (we had homegrown terrorists in the 90's and we didn't do a thing to take another look at security...shameful).

Look...guys... these poeple have been at war with themselves for over 1130 years...we can't help them...its just not possible...we should pull out our troops and shut our boaders and stay out of there...thats my OTHER opinion

They have a stable government and military. You act like as soon as we leave they will go right back to where they were before. Then we would have to be there forever.

Look, if you don't won't to pull the troops out, you should let them do thier job, and their job is to kill the enemy. Soldiers are trained to kill...to fight. Soldiers make peace by killing the enemy, or scaring the crap of them, so the can't fight.
If we really want to take care of these terrorist we have to kill them. I know I sound like I am blood thuirsty, but its true.
If we want to catch Osama, we must be able to kill his bodyguards.

If we didn't want to see young Americans lose thier lives, we wouldn't be sitting around and leting these terrorist live, the best way to prevent death is to KILL the cause of the death. I'm sorry but it takes people to fight wars. Sometimes people get killed, we can't help that. People DIE at war; thats why nobody likes war.
   If nobody died...then we would just have wars all the time...and the world would be made of marshmellows...if we want to win...so to speak...there have to be more people killed on THEIR side...which means some of us are going to die...Nobody wants to die...but its a risk you take when you join the Armed Forces...if there was no risk...they would let anybody in the Army...but thier is..people die at war...

Because he wants to remove soldiers from a place that they get killed in? Yeah, stupid idea.....

He's starting the gradual pull of Americans out of Iraq. Do you expect them to stay there forever?

Theres 135,000 US troops in Iraq and only 12,000 are being taking slowly out until Fall. He's doing what he SHOULD be doing. al-Qaida and terroist support actually GROWS with the Americans there because hate for the US develops more with American troops being there.

The troops cant just be yanked out, because like I said that vacuum will be filled by Radical Muslims. It needs to be gradual, and it needs to be started as soon as possible.

Iraq is not going to get better. We should have NEVER gone there in the first place. There were never any weapons of mass destruction. Bush rushed us in there before the UN could even get a real look around because he knew his one excuse would be gone fast. Bush wanted to invade Iraq even before the details of 9/11 were fully known. He only wanted to finish what his dad started, something that Clinton wisely stopped in the first place.