Is evolution real? Is evolution true? (Page 3 of 4)

I don't think you can bring something back to life...bacteria or whatever...using any means...(lightning?!)     If we are talking about the first life form though...then there wouldn't be the leftovers or traces of once living ones...i think i get the jist of what you're saying...i hope i'm not too confusing....oh whatever.

                                                                {MW} MS9

that makes sense...because after awhile creatures die....and eventually come to make up the dirt we have now...common sense, but how does this apply to what she was saying?  I'm still a little confused...

                                                     {MW} MS9

Okay, hold up.  Believing that the Bible is perfect does not mean that I am close-minded.  To the contrary, my college professors and fellow students who have told me, "You can't possibly believe that the Bible is perfect!" are the close-minded ones.  I am still open to other interpretations of what it says, or open to the idea that such and such a verse may be poorly translated or fragmented in our English versions.  And I do not have any qualms against those who believe it is not perfect.  I don't think God really cares.  Personally, I have no fear of the Bible being proven wrong and my world collapsing, because it is the only thing in my life where I have the confidence and the arrogance to say, "Yes, I am right about this."

On a side note, I grew up as an evolutionist, and my family has never been regular church goers.  I have been a creationist for about 18 months or so.  Changing your mind after seeing the evidence cannot possibly make a person close-minded.

Daenna, if I were choosing my belief system based upon fear, then I would certainly be an evolutionist, since I was publically humiliated time and time again in school this semester without doing anything to deserve it.  All I did was speak up when they started attacking religion, and for that my grade has suffered.  How is that a reaction based in fear?

Cecilia, in reply to your statement, one has only to remember the great philanthropists like Mother Theresa to see that religion does not "only cause suffering."  Perhaps religion without salvation makes people unhappy because they don't understand the rules they are following, but those who are saved find joy in doing God's work.  But I'm getting off topic.  This thread is supposed to be about evolution, not about whether or not believing in Biblical canonity makes you a close-minded fool.

The Gunslinger is doing a really good job of explaining natural selection, but I'm going to help by providing the Zoo Books explanation that I grew up with.  So, there are two short legged horses.  Somehow when they have a baby, it mutates and has long legs.  When the saber-tooth tigers chase all the horses, the ugly duckling horse always gets away, while the normal horses are more likely to die.  The ones that live pass on their genes, and so the ugly duckling fathers more long-legged horses.  The same cycle happens over and over again, and each generation there are more and more long-legged horses in the gene pool.  Eventually the short-legged horses completely cease to exist.  As you can see, natural selection does not act upon the individual or the entire species, but upon a single population, which is a group of one species that lives in a certain place (within breeding distance).  A few hundred miles away, all the horses may still have short legs, and thus, we stupid humans with our categorizing systems might choose to call it a different species.  But like race and skin tone, species are a continuum and oftentimes it is difficult to tell where one ends and another one begins, since they are all human-defined categories.

Anyway, I love everyone.  Don't judge.

If evolution is true, where are all the "transitory" fossils?

But most of Evolution is just speculation, right? Scientists say that the Earth is billions of years old. How do they know that? They weren't there when the Earth was created. Also, dealing with the fossil above, why do they think that it is a transitory fossil? It could have been a species that died out after the Flood, like the dinosaurs.

And also about transitory fossils... I didn't specify what I wanted to know, so I'm sorry about that. I'll specify . Why aren't there tons of transitory fossils, since evolutionists think we came from them? There are millions of people on the Earth, so it would make sense that we would have found a few of them by now. Also, why aren't there any "half-evolved" creatures running around?

I meant in this thread. What, do you think I am over-reacting to the point of cutting off BFFC for good?

None at all

Personally, as far as the creation of the universe goes, (I know this is off-topic, so please no one turn the conversation this way. I just hate not answering when someone asks me a question) I don't know what to think. The question is just...impossible to answer, by nature. The Big Bang proof may have some semlance of scientific evidence behind it (red shift, etc), but not enough to be sure. So I don't worry about it. God created it. Whether it was via Big Bang or a literal "let there be light", doesn't really matter to me. I choose to not take sides when there isn't enough clear evidence

What do you consider "half-evolved"? Evolution isn't a process that can be completed, so it can't be partially done. It's a perpetual influence that makes a species better suited to its environment and lifestyle.

There's a famous moth example they always use in biology classes. There's a species of moth that survives by blending into the bark of trees. Those looking most like tree bark survive best, so they could be considered the "best" evolved ones. However, factories start releasing smoke that darkens the trees' hues. Now all the perfectly-matching ones stick out like a sore thumb and get eaten, and the darker ones, the ones less likely to survive before, become the best suited to survive. Evolution in all relative to the environment and lifestyle of the species.

Hehe...sorry about that. Missed that bit. Lots of info back there.

Hey everyone...i'm really glad we have both sides on here. It makes it a good discussion topic.

I still think one of the best proofs of creation instead of evolution is irreducible compexity. I've just finished up with a worldview class that really helped me better understand and strengthened my beliefs. I really enjoyed going through different icons of evolution, and seeing what they believe while seeing what i believe about it at the same time.

Isn't great to just roll down your window and smell the fresh air and see all of God's beautiful creation!!! It always gets me soo excited, just rolling down the window in my truck and thinking how lucky I am to be alive today. We all think that at one time or another, evolutionists and creationists alike.

Belief in Creation and God gives me a great pupose in life. I ask those who have grown up with evolution....what is your purpose in life? Why do you continue to live and breath...when you die you lose it all, why look to gain more?

                                                        {MW} MS9

yes,    but what will you have done that really counts...we all die some day...and everything that you've done would have been a waste right?   who is going to remember you 100 years from now?   i know that nobody will know who i was....

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I agree. Enjoy life to its fullest.