The War in Iraq II (Page 1 of 5)

Well if we just went and blew them up we wouldn't have to worry about Iraq.

im going to oversimplify this, but such is life...
Bush and family r a large part of the oil machine.
Cheney is a huge part of the war machine (haliburton).
is it any wonder that we have been at war over involving oil since they were in office?
Someone is making alot of money.

there is one answer to every question in the world...money.

the sooner we come home the better. IMHO

a move like bombing them back to the stone age, would alienate our country from the global community.
why is that important? because we went into Iraq under the guise of liberation, and freedom.

our true agenda, is more likely to set up our puppet democracy so that we have more control of oil in the future, and keep an eye on Iran.  more importantly we cannot afford(financially) to be at war or continue to loose more lives policing the world.
for the record-i have many friends who r deployed and known some who have died, i have much love and respect for the military.
but will not mince words about the current administration- they r money grabbing clowns who if they ran a business it would have gone under many times over. when was the last time you misplaced billions of dollars and blame it on bad bookkeeping w/ no further explanation..

disclaimer: all comments r the humble opinion of Cujo, who is informed but much like all of us, in the dark about a great many issues. and i mean no disrespect to anyone.

is anyone on this site actually in the military? aside from Sadriel, whom im sure has a thought or two on the subject.

I agree with that.

Though it is funny seeing bush’s press conferences his mistakes are classic

It's amusing to me at just how much the BushBashers contradict themselves.  “He’s so stupid it’s funny!!!”  Yet on the other hand he’s this super manipulator who masterminded not only 9/11, but is somehow making tons of money off of Iraqi oil *that doesn’t seem to be helping us at the pump in any way that I’ve noticed lately,* AND personally blew up the levies in New Orleans because………I think the explanation was that he doesn’t like black people or something. 

Not to mention the brainless wonder managed to beat the Dems in two elections……. Guess it helps when the BRILLIANT people I won’t name vote for things after they vote against them    

I'm not ready to go that far, CG, although I have to wonder if that's the only choice we have left sometimes.  But on your comment that 'we aren’t killing terrorists, they're killing us' because we can't see them, look up the kill ratio sometime.  We're killing them.  A LOT of them.  Just cause you don't see it on CNN or YouTube doesn't mean we're not; that's just a taste to the media bias.  Come on man, look at how bad it was in Vietnam and every other war before then.  We lost a HELL of a lot more then 4000 troops in combat, and we were still kicking butt.  Ever man/woman lost for us is a tragety, but they all joined to do a job, and they're doing it damn well. 

9/11 was never the #1 reason we went to Iraq.  There was a possable connection as we know some of the Al Quida big shots visited Bagdad at times, and we know there were terrorist training camps in Iraq well before we got there.  But it was WMDs that were the stated reason, and I think the unsaid reason was to make a killing field for the crazies over there

But yes, I totally agree that Osama needs a swift kick to the nuts.....and then something a little stronger; say the .45 cure-all?   

I never said he masterminded 9/11, I never said he himself is choreographing the oil situation so he gets money, and I never said he blew up the levies. I dont believe he did any of that (the oil thing is different because although he wasnt the brains behind he he is still reaping the rewards. He did not have to be the one to hatch the plan to make the money, he was just told how to do so). The man is an imbecile. He can give a whole speech, and yet say nothing...if you get my meaning.

HURAH!  I'm not alone in this     Great points Alo, I now forgive you for your April Fools prank   

I totally agree.  Your point on the economy is spot on *but you forgot to mention that it was Reagan who gave us the good years during Clinton's time in office, despite his raising of taxes and everything else he fumbled, which we are finally feeling now*

And true, Bush is not the dream guy.  He's been getting worse these last couple years in my opinion *his border 'plan'.......GAH.*  But thank GOD Kerry or some other spaghetti spine liberal isn't running the show......yet

Be very careful about where this debate goes. Topics of this type on boards not normally set up to deal with arguments about politics, terrorism and the moralities of war can lead into intense arguments and flaming. I'm not saying it will, just a word to be cautious as this is an emotional topic for people.
Now, was or rather IS the war a good thing? Should it have been fought? I think it was going to happen sooner or later, the Iraqi regime WAS spoiling for a fight and given the atrocities Saddam and his government had perpetrated they HAD to be removed.
Was the reasons given for the war accurate? In the end no, but as I said he had to be removed before he killed more people, his own or otherwise. So does that mean the end justifies the means? In this instance, my opinion is yes.
Was the war badly planned? Well it appears that little thought of what to do after the fight is over was made, so in that regard yes.
Did 9/11 contribute to the invasion of Iraq? Yes, put bluntly it gave Bush the excuse he needed to invade. Personally I think it's unlikely that Saddam knew of the planned attacks, but he need to be removed so... and IF he did know... well he's gone now (the hard way) so job done. I'm also sure that the WMD information wasn't correct but it gave the British government the required excuse to "do the right thing". It's clear that Osamma Binladen and his fellow terrorist were in Afghanistan so going on to remove the Talibhan from power there was certainly the right thing to do

Should we support our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan? Not matter if you support the reasons for the conflicts or not the answer is a resounding YES! They are doing their duty on our behalf because they were ordered to, some of them may not even want to be there but because they are in the armed forces they are following orders and doing what they signed up to do. The soldiers, sailors and aircrew serving in Iraq and Afghanistan are not responsible for the war, that's the purview of politicians and governments , simply for carrying it out. Should they be treated as heroes on their return home? Without doubt and by all. It's horrible when some of our men and women are killed on active duty there, but should they be brought home? As soon as the job is done then yes, but not before. We made the mess in Iraq and Afghanistan, we should at least clean it up!

Is Iraq another Vietnam? I'm sure our service personnel serving their wouldn't be pleased to hear the comparison. I have friends in the British Army, serving in Iraq and friends in the Royal Marines serving in Afghanistan, I've had family members serve in other wars and trouble zones over the years and yes it's horrifying to think that any of them could be killed and I hope that it never ever happens but as I said they should come home when the job is done.

I think that we should pull out, then wipe them of the face of the earth, and start over.
Like we did with japan in WW2.
And if we wasn't so scared to do what we had to do we wouldn't be in this situation.

dont give a crap anymore. still think Osama needs to kick the bucket, though.

Water boarding is a form of interrogation (the term meaning exactly that or torture depending on your point of view).

People are turned upside down and certain amounts of water are poured down their nose.  Giving the feeling that you are drowning. 

People like John McCain are dead opposed to this as he was tortured when he served in the military.