[ Closed ] the morality of killing?

I have to agree with Flash, I don't think killing someone is a beautiful thing...

I don't know what's wrong with you FLASH, violence is part of the male instinct, allowing us to kill in order to protect our young, or the like. 
Were you neutered as a child?  If so, I completly understand, and won't argue with you further.  If not, There is something wrong with you.  With all complete pacifists.  If people in ancient times were like you, we'd probably not all exist right now, with them not being able to defend themselves against threats.  Think about it.

Oh i can defend the people i care about and i would. But your not talking about that, your talking about taking pleasure in hurting people. What is wrong with you? Are you lacking any real love in life that you feel you have to lash out at the world? Outside of fantasing about hurting people, do you have social lives or friends who aren't weapons? Been brave and manly isn't about hurting people because you want to, it is doing the right thing and doing what is best for others, even if it means sacrificing somthing yourself.

But Yautja and Scififreak, how many people have you ever seriously hurt? As in hospitiled or worse?

I also agree that killing isn't beautiful. Its an extreme last resort but never beautiful. And i don't think you need to be neutered to be sane and to realise that killing isn't a form of art and beauty.

Pacifist....I hate that word. It signifies both stupidity and a lack of logic. The rejection of violence in all it's forms would be a most saddening thing indeed, and I hope I'm never alive to see it happen. My friend put it quite well:

"[my name], if I ever turn pacifist, I want you to kill me."

I agreed on the condition that he do the same for me.

Alright I won't discuss any morality issues then, but I have my say about the "beauty" in a kill...

I think people confuse the sense of beauty with the excitement / adrenaline rush that comes when you commit or see the act. If the person is relating to either the killer or the victim, there's obviously something happening in the brain effecting an emotion of some sort.

My point of view is that "beauty" is not the result of the act, not the act itself but the state of mind that the killer enters when he prepares to kill. It's the detachment and complete lack of emotion that makes a human being become something different and inhuman. It's the unthought analogy with a superior will or "god" if you want. That's why it's called "playing God" since you end someone's life (with or without their consent). A kill that is done under influence of some primary emotion (hatred, jealousy, frustration) can't be considered "honorable" by reasonable person.

What I like about the Fetts and Mandos in general is this: they don't kill out of revenge, hate or some kind of perverse self-gratifying challenge. They're cold, methodic, and get the job done because it's necessary (as in, if they don't do it someone else would, but not in a "clean" way). That's why it's hard for me to say if they're evil... They're just dangerous and yes, beauty can be found in the concept of danger since it strips a soul of everything but the will to survive and protect their kin.

I hope I didn't offend anyone cause "morals" can pop out of anything

But as long as you make sure it isn't you, it doesn't really turn into a problem. If everyoned thought like that, no one would turn into a "violent Jihad", nor would you have to fear them being one... Most people in todays society are very easily offended, to a point of stupidity. I saw one person was pointing out the similaritires of Anakin and Jesus, and this one guy goes on a rampage that someone would suggest such a thing. There are other ones that make more sense though, like in evolution vs creation debates... But the problem with those is that neither side knows anything about the opposing side, and they don't know much about their own side as well...

I would kill if I had to. If I didn't, the death would serve absolutely no logical purpose, and therefore be obsolete. Now, I am taking this straight into a logical discussion when it is really more of a moral discussion. Morally though still, I don't like to cause pain. You can only gain enemies by that, not lose them. But I would still kill if I had to. Anyone would.

But why hurt them in the first place, i havnt got enemys, there are people i don't get along with, but i don't want to turn around and hurt them. I would still turn around though and defend myself if i had to, but there is no point in looking for trouble.

And as for Friends, in a two week period i receieved over 200 hundread text messages on my moblie phone, from plenty of different people, asking how i was and if i wanted to go and do this that and the other. I was out four times this week at clubs, with different people and i knew at least 20 people in each club. My msn list and moble numbers are huge also. This isnt a jibe at you, just pointing out a point.

I often find it better to "kill people with kindness" rather than a form of violence.

It is hard to hate someone who is kind to you.