Closed Topic: Osama bin Laden is dead!

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May 2, 2011 3:47 pm #

Any thoughts?

May 6, 2011 9:57 am #

Even al-Qaeda is confirming it.

Silly conspiracy theorists who say he's not dead simply because photos haven't been released.

May 7, 2011 11:47 am #

Why would the government lie about killing Bin Laden?

May 10, 2011 1:22 pm #
Karson Fett wrote:

Why would the government lie about killing Bin Laden?

Lots of reasons, but I buy it.

I was at work when this happened and everyone and everything stopped for an hour wo watch the news that night.

"Those with the ability to lead, have the responsibility to do so."
May 11, 2011 2:58 pm #

So what now? Do we pull out of the middle east?

May 11, 2011 4:14 pm #

Karson, he's not the only reason we're there, but I'm sure the troop drawdown will be fast and soon.

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May 12, 2011 3:34 pm #

Your right the reason we are there is for oil.

May 12, 2011 9:29 pm #

and to spread democracy

May 13, 2011 9:03 pm #

And to fight terrorism where it comes from, rather than when it comes to us.

"Those with the ability to lead, have the responsibility to do so."
May 21, 2011 5:31 am #

We aren't fighting anybody. We are only a police force.

May 21, 2011 9:02 am #

I knew several people that have died in combat that might disagree with you.

"Those with the ability to lead, have the responsibility to do so."
May 21, 2011 12:38 pm (Edited May 22, 2011 12:18 pm) #

Okay, let me explain what I meant so you can figure it out. I'll try to use small words and sentences.

We. As in the United States of America's Armed Forces, are in the middle east.

The Middle East is the part of the world that countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran are.

The United States of America is not at war with any of these countries.

The military of the United States of America has not invaded the countries.

The military of the United States is acting as a police force and training force for these countries.

Yes, there are gun fights in the countries.

Yes, there are people that have died in these countries.

These people that have died have been American citizens.

These people that have died have mostly been all American Marines and Army men.

The Marines and Army men are unable to preform the task that they have been given because of politics.

Do you understand know?

May 22, 2011 9:17 am #
Karson Fett wrote:

We aren't fighting anybody.

Karson Fett wrote:

Yes, there are gun fights in the countries.

Thank you.

"Those with the ability to lead, have the responsibility to do so."
May 22, 2011 12:13 pm (Edited May 22, 2011 12:19 pm) #

Officially, we are not fighting anyone. You know exactly what I mean. We are "defending" these areas.

May 22, 2011 1:22 pm #

1fight verb
foughtfight·ing
Definition of FIGHT

intransitive verb
to contend in battle or physical combat; especially : to strive to overcome a person by blows or weapons

"Those with the ability to lead, have the responsibility to do so."
May 22, 2011 6:26 pm (Edited May 22, 2011 06:28 pm) #

Thanks Danial.

May 23, 2011 11:49 am #

Karson, thanks for bringing up all of these points here. But there's a handful of concerns I see with your argument here.

Karson Fett wrote:

The United States of America is not at war with any of these countries.

It was an undeclared war, just like Vietnam and countless other events. (The last declared war was World War II.)

On September 22, 2001, Bush began an undeclared war on Afghanistan. (Source: CNN). The declaration of war on Iraq was March 20, 2003. (Source: CNN)

The military of the United States of America has not invaded the countries.

This is debatable. The U.S. went into Iraq under the pretense of "weapons of mass destruction," but never found such weapons.

These people that have died have been American citizens.

Plus countless more civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq. (Source: Wikipedia

The Marines and Army men are unable to preform the task that they have been given because of politics.

Last I checked, the U.S. military serves the commander in chief. If the tasks change, due to (hopefully) informed political decisions, they follow orders.

I hope some of this was helpful for forming your opinions. :)

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May 23, 2011 6:27 pm (Edited May 23, 2011 06:30 pm) #
BFFC Admin wrote:

Karson, thanks for bringing up all of these points here. But there's a handful of concerns I see with your argument here.

Karson Fett wrote:

The United States of America is not at war with any of these countries.

It was an undeclared war, just like Vietnam and countless other events. (The last declared war was World War II.)

^These are classified as conflicts.^

On September 22, 2001, Bush began an undeclared war on Afghanistan. (Source: CNN). The declaration of war on Iraq was March 20, 2003. (Source: CNN)

The military of the United States of America has not invaded the countries.

This is debatable. The U.S. went into Iraq under the pretense of "weapons of mass destruction," but never found such weapons.

These people that have died have been American citizens.

Plus countless more civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq. (Source: Wikipedia

The United States is the only country that is putting their troops in harms way.

What I meant was, the US Armed Forces are the only group that does any police work.

The Marines and Army men are unable to preform the task that they have been given because of politics.

Last I checked, the U.S. military serves the commander in chief. If the tasks change, due to (hopefully) informed political decisions, they follow orders.

I hope some of this was helpful for forming your opinions. :)

The United States Military serves the United States Constitution...

May 23, 2011 10:32 pm #
Karson Fett wrote:

The United States Military serves the United States Constitution...

That's sortof the first part of it, I just looked up. Your verb there is kinda irregular.

For the sake of reference, the literal oath is the following: "I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Anyway...

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May 26, 2011 6:51 pm #
BFFC Admin wrote:
Karson Fett wrote:

The United States Military serves the United States Constitution...

That's sortof the first part of it, I just looked up. Your verb there is kinda irregular.

For the sake of reference, the literal oath is the following: "I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Anyway...


I knew what this oath said, my father was in the Army.

The way this oath is worded though, if the president does something that endangers the Constitution, then the president's authority is nullified.

Also the last part of the oath "according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice..." means that the men and women in the military are not covered by the Constitution, but rather the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

May 30, 2011 9:23 pm #
Karson Fett wrote:

The way this oath is worded though, if the president does something that endangers the Constitution, then the president's authority is nullified.

I dunno about nullified, but they can certainly be impeached.

"Those with the ability to lead, have the responsibility to do so."
June 4, 2011 2:55 pm #
Karson Fett wrote:
BFFC Admin wrote:
Karson Fett wrote:

The United States Military serves the United States Constitution...

That's sortof the first part of it, I just looked up. Your verb there is kinda irregular.

For the sake of reference, the literal oath is the following: "I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Anyway...


I knew what this oath said, my father was in the Army.

The way this oath is worded though, if the president does something that endangers the Constitution, then the president's authority is nullified.

Also the last part of the oath "according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice..." means that the men and women in the military are not covered by the Constitution, but rather the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Actually, the President can declare a state of emergency and scrap the Constitution at anytime.

June 4, 2011 11:52 pm #

Yes  !! lots of Lost Souls will rest now
But it's a shame they didn't get that Egyptian who plotted Sadat's
Murder he is a very evil Man also and I think one of the main plotters
too .
And see how that part of the World is changing they want freedom too
bats

June 6, 2011 6:07 am #

The fact still remains, the United States Armed Forces are defenders of the Constitution, not the government.

June 12, 2011 7:18 pm #

you say tomato, i say same difference

"Those with the ability to lead, have the responsibility to do so."
June 13, 2011 9:46 pm #

The Constitution is the plan of government, not the Government itself.

June 19, 2011 2:11 pm #

The Boba Fett Fan Club is for discussion of Boba...oh wait no it's not. apparently

I guess people can interpret just about anything differently

"Those with the ability to lead, have the responsibility to do so."
June 19, 2011 10:03 pm #

And, with that ladies and gentleman, we conclude our open forum on this topic. Enjoy the rest of the forums!

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