Topic: Do you believe in God or evolution?

wow, okay

very interesting, thanks for posting the article

and i have no idea how that could have happened

Well, if the creationist theory was true, this is possible. That T-rex would have died sometime in the last six-thousand years or so, and it is possible for a red blood cell to last a little while like that. So, a little bit to support that theory.

Any other comments, questions, or anything?

Not nessisarily. That was the specimen I was referring to you know, and they don't list red blood cells being a part of what was uncovered. You're confusing it with the blood vessles they did find (which is where you'd find red and white blood cells. But again, it didn't mention the blood cells being preserved). And mind you, this might not be a unique find. Generally, fossils are never treated in this manner. They're a lot more rare then people think so every attempt is made to preserve them. But in this case that wasn't possible, so after they had to cut the fossilized leg in two, there wasn't any harm of cutting it even more. And thats when they discovered the soft tissue.

Read the first words in the first link again: "Actual red blood cells in a Tyrannosaurus Rex?" That was the first sentence! How could you miss that?

I don't trust that first link. Its biased to your view, so of course it has the information you want it to say. National Geographic is not biased. They do not lean towards one way or they other. They only tell it how it is. And they didn't mention spefically red blood cells. Yes, soft tissue was preserved. Yes, blood vessiles were among the preserved tissue. But it did not mention actual blood cells. Just that the fossil contained the tissues for bone formation.

My view??? lol, it's biased to the creationist's view, and the other one is biased to the evolutionist's view, or did you not read my posts?

And EVERYBODY knows that National Geographic always leans toward evolution. That's the way they do. There's absolutley NO non-biased guys on this issue. Have you EVER heard National Geographic present creation as fact? Of course not! Have you ever heard them present evolution as fact? Of course! We've already decided that they are BOTH scientific theories, and everybody picks one, or the other. Both creation and evolution are theories.

I doubt that they have ever said evolution is a fact. The may have talked about it as such because there is more proof.

I believe in Fettism, wherein the Universe was created in only 3 days because the almighty Boba Fett needed a bigger hunting ground. It's sweepin the nation, keep an eye out for our advertisements.

Lol, screw evolution, fettism is what im about. :D

I second that motion! :D

topic closed as far as im concerned :D

You're not even listening to me. T_T People are not one or the other either. There are some people who are both, you know. You're awfully closed minded. You don't listen to, you just scream your opinion, but have thus far have only produced one (rather weak) thing to try and prove your point.

LOL, if was screaming you'd know it. I won't even begin to point out your "closed-mindedness. As for God and evolution co-existing, I just don't see that being reasonable! Here's that religious site's take on that:

Draco, you say that there's more proof for evolution, but could you please give me some? Remember that there's that guy who will give $100,000 to the first guy who has proof for evolution. And National Geographic has presented evolution as fact. Here's several links. Notice how they say "freeing it from a 65-million-year-old rock tomb." They failed to say anything like "may", or might, or anything like that.

And here they say "a new dinosaur species dating back 90 million years," they presented it as total fact, as if it were science!(Remember, BOTH creation, and evolution are just theories!

Look at this one, I quote, "Preliminary studies of the 67-million-year-old hadrosaur,". Never a question as to the "fact" of evolution is there?

There, that's just three articles that present evolution as fact! Want more? I found about a million of 'em!

They say those dates because they likely used carbon dating or a similar method. If they do this, and get an estiment of the time, why should the put "might," or "may be."

The first link is at times biased to the point of withholding information. While talking about dinsaur ages, they say scientists guessed, when in reality, they use carbon dating. While talking about life elswhere, they do not mention that we have possibly found bacteria fossils on Mars. Also, part of their evidence for life only existing here assumes that all life in the universe has a radio reciever.

Although, in all fairness, I have not read through the entire site.

Exactly! Oops I spammed with a one word...sorry.

There is very much a thing as beliving as both theorys. Some people belive the universe spontainiously appeared. Some people belived God did it all. And some belive God made the universe, but largely let everything happen naturally. Is that hard to belive?

And how can you say Dinosaurs have only been dead a few thousand years, when its been many millions? Its not a guess either: You can test organic material with carbon dating, because carbon has a very long half-life. For even older fossils, there are simmilar methods of dating that involve other chemicals (that I can't think of at the moment.,...) that have even longer half-lives. Its not accurate to the exact DAY, but its really exact. Life has been on this planet for a very long time, and all living creatures, extinct or still living, evolved from the very first life forms; microscopic bacteriums.

draco, you're not doubting carbon dating are you? because it's very accurate as a matter of fact.

and for that "And some believe God made the universe, but largely let everything happen naturally" is the religious view known as Deism.

also, religion still fails. evolution does have more proof than creation, here's a simple reason:

the bible has been re-written who knows how many times? it's all rewrites in order to fit other people's point of views, so there is no one single point of view that we can believe is to be more correct than others, where evolution really basically still follows everything that Darwin and whoever the guy is who came up with the evolution theory, because it's so simple. and they basically have proven that the Big Bang was indeed real thanks to the large hadron collider.

I was saying that the people who run that site ignored carbon dating.

I should probably link my term paper on here to help give some facts to you guys... It was called "Evolution or Creationism? The Debate for How the World Began", I turned it in last semester. Anyone interested?

ah, okay.

yes.

LOL! Everybody I know at home think I'm mentally ill...I have no idea why... :) hehehehe...

As for that site ignoring carbon dating? Here's a link.

Hadron Collider?

Creation, (intelligent Design) and the Bible are very close. But you can separate them Fett_II. And Darwin observed MICRO evolution(which is completly scientific), but then he went to extremes, and streched his imagination to MACRO evolution. At first he said there would be MILLIONS of missing links. But they never found any, did they? Show me a missing link guys!

And by the way, none of you guys ever answered my post about how you're "current human evolution" would make short people inferior to tall. Or about the people getting shorter? You never answered...

i think someone answered you,

and i have a friend who could pass as a missing link...

I never said short people are inferior to tall.... I said that as a whole, the human race is getting taller.

The earth has changed drastically within the millions of years life has been on this planet. We only find fossils when the earth erodes on the surface enough to that point in time to where the animal or plant died. Finding fossils just isn't that easy, even when you know where to look. And, the majority of this planet is water. Who knows what sort of fossils are underneath the oceans! After all, the first life was ocean life. We only find aquatic fossils when the sea dries up in certain part and becomes land. Perhaps also, there are fossils of land life underneath the sea, which in the past, was dry land.

Asian people aren't getting taller as a whole! And some families are getting shorter.

And you leave out the possiblity of disaster! What if a flood like the one in the Bible happened? Wouldn't all the fossils be scattered all over the place? If there was such a flood, what would we find??? "Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers. All over the earth." And what do we find??? "Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers. All over the earth." Sediment would have settled into rock layers, so having that, wouldn't prove evolution.

That's a good point...that would explain alot. Since they find fossils where there once was ocean, wouldn't a world-wide flood come to mind? And wouldn't world-wide floods mean the world being covered by ocean? Also, people say that aqautic creatures came first. Those and creatures of the air were created first according to the Bible. Even though the Bible has been re-written many times, the parts that were re-written were mostly the same thing, and most of the Bible is still what it once was.
But I'm beginning to find this argument...unhealthy. We aren't just stating our views, we're trying to force them onto others... :P

Well, evolution is more likely and it feels very odd for me that there's "someone above us who can do whatever he wants". And IF there was a God, why don't everyone believe in him? If I was a God I'd make everybody to believe in me!

Think of it this way.  Let's say you have a dog.  And you train and love and nurture a dog.  And there comes a time when this dog has to make a choice on who his owner is.  You or another guy.  If the dog chooses you of its own accord, the feeling of that love is infinitely better than that of you taking that dog forcibly away and having him live in your house.

This is a very simple analogy but I think it sums up what the Bible says about it.

Because God wants us to have faith in him. If he made us believe in him, there would be no faith.

what do u have against asians? look at Yao Ming.

I LOVE asians!!! They are awesome people! My favorite music is Jpop, and I'm learning Japanese! My wife will probably be asian!

Dude, he doesnt have anything against asians, he just saying there short...Which they are. Short doesnt = Bad.

I think of it this way, If evelution is right I (a believer in Christ my Savior) lose nothing, but if Im right he who believes in evelution or anything contrary to the word loses everything!

And I do believe things evolve over time, but I refuse to believe my great grand papy was pond scum or a munkey.
;)

I will stay firm in my Lord and will not be swade from his word!!!!!!!!

^ *Evolution

I don't think the whole world was ever ocean. What does happen is, some bodys of water dry up and vanish. Most of the United States was under water once from an inland sea. Sort of a giant lake. It wasn't a flood, it gradually appeared over time because the climate allowed it. As such, there were aquatic creatures in this body of water. But then the climate changed and slowly it all dried up. Changes like these, they don't happen rapidly. There isn 't a sudden dumping of rain to make a sea or anything like that.

Being a 5' 6" 14-Y-O, I think short is good, not bad! I may even become a citizen of Japan someday! I am not a racist! Actually, I don't like Americans that much any more though...but I'm not racist! I am beginning to believe there is really only one race-Adam's race! Asians rule!!!

Then you are following God for the wrong reasons, and you lose in both cases. You think if you go to heaven and God asks "Why did you believe in me?" and you say " To play it safe." its going to be the same as the people who believed in him due to true faith? Doubt it.

You have a point there, but it kinda beats hell.

How would i go about doing that?

VALTHONIN! You have no right to tell me I have false belieif, NO right. What I said is not my basis of belief! but a few words that my late Grand father told me, which he told his unfaithful friend...... his freind now goes to the same church I do. It was just a veiw you can look at it.

So you're sexist.

Uhh, copy and paste it all into a reply box? Or upload it into the internet page by page. Idk something.

Always happens whenever anyone mentions evolution: someone disagrees and it turns into a shit-show.

No one's condemning a perfectly intelligent-sounding threat, quite the contrary it's an enormously mature and complex subject, but if anyone is going to keep going at it, it has to be calm and rational. Caps and exclamation marks being launched back and forth are a quick way to get a threat locked.

i agree, keep it clean

state your beliefs, argue lightly and leave

I'm sorry that made me chuckle.  We are now mudslinging with caps and exclamation points.  The direction our society is taking is quite funny.

Dude... don't be talkin' about me like that........  that really hurts

:P *jk* :P

Its a pretty bad case of Yellow Fever, if I do say so myself. Pretty ignorant to think one race is better then the others, even if its not your own race. I assure you, Asian women are no better then Black women, White women, or Spanish women. You're pretty young. I imagine in a few years you'll look back at yourself and wonder what you were thinking.

Why do you think that? I just think Americans are over rated, but not stupid or anything.

And I have absolutly NO idea where you get "so your sexist."

It's the "Adam's race" thing, Eve totally doesn't get enough credit ....even if she did kind of screw over humanity by gettin us kicked from Eden....man why did Adam have to be whipped?

As for superiority, every race has their BAMFs, so it's nigh impossible to tell who's better. I mean Americans have Chuck Norris, Asians have Jet Li, african americans have Vin Rames, Will Smith, AND Morgan Freeman, austrians have the Governator, the list just goes on and on. In fact...each one of those names should probably have been mentioned in the Geneva Convention, pretty sure they count as weapons of mass destruction.

Oh ok. "Adam and Eve's race." I like everyone! Jesus loves everyone! There was a song we used to sing in children's church back in the 90's. It went: "Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world! Red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in His sight! Jesus loves the little children of the world!"

DEEP BREATH VODE!

*ah*

Ok now that we might return to calmness....

Everyone is entitled to believe their own thing. As long as no one is FORCED to think one thing or another, I feel it is ok. Evolutionists and Creationists all have their own sets of facts. Honestly, its up to individuals' faith to interpretate them. Its all tempered by the point of view. So does it matter?

Yes, it does matter. AND YOU ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT!!! I like deep breath. :)