Topic: what if darth maul killed Obi-Wan

If darth maul had killed Obi-Wan in episode I how would the rest of the movies be different?

A lot.  Almost too much to speculate.  Maul had his coming anyway because Palpatine didn't have much use for him.  There is no telling what would have happened to Anakin. 

I think the better one would be if Obi had died instead of Qui-gon.  Would Qui-Gon have stopped Anakin's path to the darkside?

Not only that, who would have Luke gone to? It would have ruined the whole plot :P

Agreed...

and agreed...

As Sev said, Maul still isn't likely to have had much more of a future.  Palps HAD Dooku already, and he was more powerful.  Maul probably would have been squandered in some manner not befitting him just to keep the number of apprentices in line.

HOWEVER, the rest of the SW timeline and history would be changed immensely.  Anikan's fate would have been left to the Council, who didn't want him to be trained.  It becomes a question whether or not Palps would have even gotten within reach of him.  If he didn't, could Dooku and Grievous have pulled of the Clone Wars?  If Palps DID get his hands on Anikan, is it even possible that the Republic could have stopped the combined power of Anikan, Dooku *until he'd served his purpose and was destroyed*, and Grievous *same as Dooku* ?

Would there even have been a Luke and Leia in any of these senarios?

Although having Anikan on his side ealier in the fight might have been a great help to the Confederacy, would it have thrown Palps's VERY intricat web of planning and schemes out of wack?

Obi-Wan is such a critical figure that there are hundereds if not THOUSANDS of different possibilities that could have come up if Maul had laid him out

The BIGGEST question that comes to MY mind is..............what would have become of Jango and Boba?      :P

Obi-Wan dying in place of Qui-Gon, then I assume it is Qui-Gon who kills Maul? If so, then Anakin would become his padawan learner, and wherever Obi-Wan and Anakin would be, it would be Qui-Gon and Anakin. So Only some of the main storyline of the PT would be changed. Anakin's training would be much greater, if you noticed he quotes Qui-Gon in The Clone Wars. Sidious would still construct the Clone Wars, Jango would still attempt to kill Amidala, and Qui-Gon would completely replace Obi-Wan. Although the events on Geonosis would be altered, due to Qui-Gon being Dooku's padawan, Qui-Gon may have joined him. Or, he would do as Obi-Wan did (most likely after sensing the Dark Side in him), and the rest of AotC would go as written. If Qui-Gon joined Dooku, then either Anakin would join him or try to fight against him, and no matter what, the Clone Wars would take place. Anakin might have become a Jedi Master in attempt to turn over Qui-Gon and defeat Dooku, and the rest of the Council might have never doubted him, even though Anakin's relation to Chancellor Palpatine would continue to grow stronger, as Palpatine is unaffected by all this. Palpatine would continue to try and subdue Anakin to the Dark Side, but Anakin may have been able to resist, and possibly helped Mace Windu, rather than betray him. So, Padme might have not died in childbirth, and Sidious' plot to rule the galaxy would fail, as he would die. As for Dooku and Qui-Gon, if Qui-Gon had not gone evil, Dooku would still die, though possibly at Qui-Gon's hands rather than Anakin's. If Qui-Gon had turned, then Anakin might have had to do both of them in, even though Palpatine would make sure he lives in attempt to convert him.

The point is, too much would change if Qui-Gon were to live and Obi-Wan to die.

The thing is that Obi-Wan is much more restrained than Qui-Gon. Qui-Gon is very passionate for a Jedi. I believe he would have gone into various situations a lot differently than Obi-Wan. If anything I think Anakin would have been even more arrogant - as I have no doubt that he would have become Qui-Gon's padawan. Anakin may have even seen Padme in a different light when he was older.

I think Palpatine had the cards stacked so he'd win either way, either as Sideous or Palpatine. I think Dooku was always going to die, Palpatine wanted an eager student. Maul had been that, with the loss of Maul came the need for another eager student and he wanted Anakin. I believe that Dooku was simply a tool be used and discarded as necessary in Palpatine's plan.

It was also Palpatine that organised for Anakin and Padme to meet again. Palpatine knew that Padme was Anakin's weakness, therefore he brought her back into his life to manipulate Anakin.

Or is it possible that Anakin would see the passion in Qui-Gon (if I remember correctly it was implied that he had some sort of feelings for the one girl in Jedi Apprentice who dies, can't remember her name).  So if he noticed this would Anakin have been more willing to fill Qui-Gon in on his marriage as a confidant? 

Would Qui-Gon have been able to stop his fall?

It's fun contemplating the butterfly effect.  :P

and again, the idea of Qui-Gon living throws an entirely new light onto the situation.  My post assumed Maul beat both Jedi

I think Qui-Gon would have made a better teacher then Obi-Wan.  Qui-Gon had more experience in theaching a padawan, and yes he was more passionate then the average Jedi, but so is Anakin.  Qui-Gon might have been able to read Anikin better and steer his emotions to a more constructive end, rather then Obi-Wan who either tried to kill them or overlooked them

I feel Anikan would have been stronger in the Light had it been Obi-Wan teaching him, and he might have had the will to turn down Palps when the time of temptation came...but that's something we'll never know

you mean Qui-Gon.

I like Qui-Gon better then Obi anyway. I think it would have been more interesting if it was Qui-Gon who survived the encounter with Maul because Qui-Gon is more of a maverick Jedi and Obi is more of a Jedi who always follows the council's instructions and isn't very individual. I would have liked to see if Qui-Gon wuould have joined Dooku or not on Geonosis. Qui-Gon is a more interesting character to me then Obi.

Well to me I am sure he [Qui - Gon] would have trained Ani better. I sure he would have not fallen if he had been trained by him. Heck Qui-Gon was better all around, he probably would have joined Dooku found out and killed Palps before the even involved the council. And Ani would have probably told Qui-Gon about his wife because he knew he wouldn't run to the council. After all, Qui-Gon was better a understanding things. I think out of all the movies, Obi wan Defied the council once! Qui Gons coolness would have helped Ani, be the same way. I mean after he was around Obi Wan he started to be a council wanna be too. I mean, Qui gon would have at least finished the job of killing Ani if it had come to it.
      Ani wold had t have 2 robots as witnesses if he had told Qui Gon. I mean, Qui Gon Probably would have let Ani go after Padme. But the whole thing would have ben ruined if it had happened  that way so....

Anakin probably wouldn't turn to the Dark Side. Luke and Leia would not have been born. Qui-Gon would still be alive, which would make me stop liking Star Wars...There would be no Original Trilogy, no Death Star, Palpatine would have been killed off early.

I think Anakin was always going to turn to the dark side. The slaugher of the sand people clarified it for me. I don't blame Anakin for being angry at the loss of his mother but killing all the sand people was hardly just cause. He went beyond justice and into murder.

At this point Yoda should have realised something was wrong. He sensed Anakin's pain, could he not sense his anger?

I don't think Qui Gon would have made Anakin a better Jedi, simply a different one. If anything I think Qui Gon may have even been more blind to Anakin's behaviour because it was so like his own.

True, very true

Anakin would have gone to the dark side one or another is true. It was just a question of what point in the prequels. I speculate that Jango's and Boba's lives would have been different if Obi-Wan had been killed by Darth Maul. For one thing, who would come by to investigate them or even find out that something was going on at Kamino. This opens the possibility that Jango would not have died in the battle of Genosis because there might not have been a battle of Genosis. Boba could have grown up to be a somewhat different person/bounty hunter.

If Boba and Jango had remained together, then Boba would not be as dark, nor effecient. Jango wanted him to be effecient. But Anakin probably would not have turned because he admired Qui-Gon so much, he would probably want to be a little bit less than model Jedi.

And then there would be No BFFC!

You would be thinking of Tahl. Qui-Gon loved her, and then she died.

But if Anakin had decided to look deeper, he might have learned more about Obi-One. Obi-one fell in love with another Jedi during the "Jedi Apprentice" era, Siri Tachi. They broke it off early, due to council from Yoda and Qui-Gon, but her death during the Clone Wars still affected him. Anakin initially though Obi-one had loved Siri, but decides that he must not have, because he spared her killers life.

Obi-one loved too, Anakin just never saw that. Obi-one wasn't that surprised about Padme's pregnancy either. I also think that Qui-gon wouldn't have been that much more understanding. I do find him more interesting though.

But didn't Obi-Wan have a kinda-sorta girlfriend of his own? 

I'll try to look that up in my source books if nobody knows what I'm talking about...

He didn't Actually have a Girlfriend..he admired Suri from a far......and he did talk to her about it I believe......

Suri? The only one i am aware of is Siri, the one Werda mentions. I too have read all those books. ( I LOVE Jude Watson's treatment of the Jedi etc.) It wasn't from afar, they both agreed that they cared for one another during a mission and they thought they were going to die when the ship reentered real space from hyperspace. They were even considering staying together.....

This is all very interesting speculations. I think that Anakin and Qui-Gon would have fought/ disagreed more because they were so similar and yet so different. Qui- Gon was a much different fighter than Obi Wan, so maybe Anakin would have learned to be more like Obi Wan.

See!!!!I knew I was wrong.....thats why I put that I believe ppart ion my post

Ok... What does this have to do with bounty hunters? It should be in RPG or Serious Geeking. Anyway, If DM killed OW, then Anakin would not be trained, he would just end up being some pilot for hire probably, because he couldn't get in to the Jedi Order without Obi-Wan's persuasion. Sidious and Maul would relaunch and invasion of Naboo, succeed, and take over the galaxy from there, but then there would be no Chosen One to stop them or join them, so the Jedi might have a chance, but Maul and Sidious would be too much for the Jedi, who are missing two of their future greatest Jedi, Obi and Ani. Sith rule forever, until the next chosen one comes and liberates the people a few thousand years later.

This depends on if Darth Maul kills BOTH Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon.
If he killed them both.........who KNOWS what would have happened.
Everything would be totally different.
Luke would never even learn the force from Obi-Wan to defeat Vader. (If there even IS a Vader)

But if Qui-Gon would have survived instead........then he would simply fill in the space of Obi-Wan.

Thats a great hypothesis. It sounds pretty accurate.
but Anakin is DESTINED to bring balance to the force..............so it cant be stopped. The "Sith Order" would eventually fall.

But your pretty much right.
the smallest ripple in time could affect the largest wave in the future. ;)

TW

If Darth Maul killed Obi-wan than the world would explode! Anakin never would have become a jedi. The Sith would be like way ahead in their quest for power. Count Dooku never would have been Krinklestine's apprentice. The clones never would have been discovered, so the Clone Wars never would have began. Jango wouldn't have died. Luke and Liea would not have been born since Anakin's not a jedi and Darth Vader not there ether. And on top of that the empire would probably rule the galxy for much, much, much longer since Vader never took on his apprentice to start the rebelion. Plus Obi-wan was one of the only four characters to be shown in all six movies. :D

What? No BFFC I would die. In the words of Darth Vader... NoooOOOoooOOOoooOoooOo!!!!  :mad:

lol, didn't take you very long to become a real die-hard fan of the site  :D

Are you kidd'n me!! I live on here. It's like 12:12 at night when I'm typing this!! :D

Still on! 12:14am next day :D!!!
Hey but why is "what if darth maul killed obi-wan" in the Bounty Hunter section? Just wonder'n no offence. :)

hmmm... good question.  I probably would have posted it in Serious Geeking.

I guess it was close enough that the Mods didn't bother with it

I thought it would be in Rollplaying like alot of the versus things? :D

No, no Roleplaying. I think this should be in Serious Geeking. As RD said.

Oh well... :)

eh, either one.  It is sort of a versus situation like those posted in Role Playing, but the question and the answers are really much deeper then that, not a simple 'who would win' thread. 

But back on topic, I think the ramifications would be incredibly deep, and drastically change the course of the Star Wars universe.

This would be an excellent topic of an alternate history FanFic.

I'd like to make a fan movie.... BUT I CAAAAAANNNNN""""TTTTT :mad:

He means fan fiction. As in a book.

Uhhhhhh...
    I have serious issues, I think my brain is mush... :mad:

Why don't you write one about it, ralin Drakus?

Having studied the scene many times (well 11 and a half) I personally think that Qui-Gon let Darth Maul win in much the same way Obi-Wan let Darth Vader win in A New Hope.
If Qui-Gon had realised he would be able to live on through his spirit (which he duly did) the advantages in letting Maul win are numerous and being wise, it seems plausible that Qui-Gon would have realised them.

-Qui-Gon knew Obi-Wan had the potential to beat Maul and in doing so would prove he is a worthy Jedi, capable of both completing the trials and training Anakin afterwards.
-By dying, Qui-Gon became a martyr in that he died for the cause of Anakin. In death he convinced the Jedi Council to allow Anakin to be trained, which was Qui-Gon's greatest wish at time of death.
-He allowed Darth Maul into a false sense of security by dying so "easily" which meant he became more arrogant and therefore failed to noticed Obi-Wan reaching for Qui-Gon's lightsaber to kill Maul. Qui-Gon realised Maul would be easier to defeat if his views were clouded by arrogance.
-Obi-Wan learnt to clear his mind of emotions such as anger and rage after his master had died. This was a lesson Qui-Gon wanted Obi-Wan to learn, so he put Obi-Wan in a situation where it was essentially "Forget all the rage that you feel due to Qui-Gon dying, or you will die yourself"

Also, Qui-Gon does seem to pause before he is kicked and then killed.