Topic: character(EU) exiles...

i often wonder why so many EU characters get created and then go neglected, who r ur favorites and would like to see more of...

mine are
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jodo_Kast
jodo kast-i realize he is a poser, but i like the angle of fett having a doppleganger if not an ersatz one. needs another comic appearence.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Baron_Fel
baron fel- the empires "red baron" but never used. this guy deserves a rogue squadron type game.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Iridorian
i just like this guys looks...he needs to be in kotor 3.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cydon_Prax
cydon prax-this guy just intrugued me...he needs to be in the clone wars cartoon. alot of potential.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Spiker
spiker-another guy that looks cool and has low miles...this guy needs to be video game boss or get his own comic.
all that i can think of right now...
who r urs?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/A'Sharad_Hett
Actually, just more Tusken Raiders in general, but especially A'sharad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HK-47
I can't get enough of that guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Yuuzhan_Vong
I don't know why, but they intrigue me.

I don't know a lot of those but I did like Jodo Kast. You could create scenarios with him that could never actually occur with Boba Fett, simply because they are different characters. Kast is young and cocky, so you can get him into situations that Boba would simply avoid out of experience and intelligence.

I agree with Jodo Kast. I also think Durge, D'harhan, Gorm, Aurra Sing, and Kenix Kil need more spotlight.

I can't get enough of HK either.

But I really like this guy: http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/b/b5/Demagolhead.jpg

Dude not durge seriously dont go there worst charecter ever, and i dont know what you see in D'harhan either.

revan...is that fett? it looks like a duck...quacks like a duck...
(a serious question)

as for durge im on the fence about him...why do you not like him IG unit?
who is dharhan...to the wookiepedia!

What makes them so aweful?

Well the thing about D'harhan is last time i talked to you about him it seemed that the only reason you like him is because of the huge gun instead of a head. Durge is just another one of those almost indestructible charecters that anger me, also he is from the clone wars cartoon which i have already said i didnt like. There are various over reasons that i cant be bothered to state.

The Clone Wars cartoon was not canon, so Durge's apperance in it was not necessarily canon.

ummm... He's NOT just in the clone wars cartoon he is also in Dark Hourse comics http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Durge I don't not like him ;) but I do think that he is a cheap knock off of Vader/Boba I mean come on he even used boba mando insig on his chest.
And I like D'harhan. I'm working on a drawling of him now cu'z there isn't any yet.
and I also like Bosk but he's not too neglected.
I think I have to go with Alpha-77, known as ARC-77 and more commonly known as Fordo.

Those duble pistoles RULE.

1. I did not say that he was only in the non-canon Clone Wars cartoon, I said that his apperance in it was not canon. In addition to the comics, he is also in at least one book.
2. Wookieepedia is not trustworthy.
3. Durge has almost nothing in common with Boba, or Vader.
4. The Mandalorian symbol does not belong to Baba.
5. The reason for the symbol was explained.

1.sorry I didn't see that.
2. "Wookieepedia is not trustworthy." it's untrustworthy because it can be edited by anyone right? Well guess what so is all the internet just not as much, so if someone is going to make a fake site they will work much harder to do it. And did you see anything on that page that was none canon? No? then don't say it isn't.
I can see your point. But with something like Durge people will fix any messups.I could see if it was something like this http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sun_King or this, http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Raich. but htis is Durge who we all know. so if you see some none canon stuff there please tell me and I'll go fix it.
3.Yes he dose! the symbol and a JET PACK and his helm/bodie is like vaders but not much I admit.
4.I know that Baba dosn't own it and BOBA dosn't own it ether but it started with Boba. and that should have said: "boba's mando insig" (which is still confusing)
5.And I don't care if it was "explained" it's still a rip off.

well there should at least be a canon picture of Dharhan and at least 1 story more on jodo kast

You answered your own question incorrectly; on Wookieepedia's on the Mandalorians, there was a statement something like "they sucked and got ther a**es kicked lololol." I have also found misinformation on many articles, especially for bounty hunters and the likes. The Mandalorians are probably more well known than Durge, yet their article was faulty.

And did you fix it??
THats the whole point is that you can fix it just as esay as someone can mess it up.

Yes, but thaat does not mean that it will stop future misinformation.

i just read "the hunt for aura sing" i thought A'sharad Hett, was an intriguing character as well. any character that is conflicted is a well written one.

as far as the vong-i have recently begun to learn about them, they r interesting as well. they seem a bit out of place in the starwars universe.

everyone but spiker is dead

I was thinking about this today.

I have been reading the X-Wing to my son when I put him to bed and I have really taken to Corran Horn (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Corran_Horn) I enjoyed reading I Jedi. I think he is such a funky character (and from my point of view rather fanciable)

While he is in other books I would love to see him more of a central character.

The same is for Kyp Durron (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kyp_Durron)

Now that I have got to know and like these characters I want to read more about them.

That is all that I can think about for now but I will add more as and when I have a brainwave :D

This is an issue that's been bugging me for a long time...and a big part of the reason I've lost interest in the Star Wars universe for the most part.
You ask why so many interesting characters get created, and then are completely ignored outside of whatever publication they were introduced in.
To sum it up, most authors don't give a rip about anyone else's material.  They'd rather make their own crud than use preexisting elements.  The best examples of this would be the work of Timothy Zahn and Troy Denning, for those of you familiar with their work. Every story they write features elements that aren't found anywhere else in the canon, not even mentioned offhandedly. 
Granted, Zahns work is quite more permanent than most other authors, everyone's familiar with the Chiss and his pet character, Thrawn.  But every novel he writes is completely dedicated to the subjects he's created, and he pretty much ignores anything else out there (ie, Hand of Thrawn duology features a conflict between two races unmentioned anywhere else in canon, that throws the entire galaxy on the brink of civil war). Though again, Zahn is talented enough to get away with that, and a lot of his work is central to the EU universe.

/rant

But I would stab my eye out rather than sitting through more of Troy Denning's insufferable garbage.  If you want to know who's responsible for the dissappearance of quality characters and elements in the SW universe, he's a big part of that problem.
Simply because he does exactly what Zahn does, but lacks the writing talent or creativity to pull it off.  And sadly, he's handed commission after commision for pumping out more of his trash.  Killik Twilight, the shallowly idiotic Squibs he seems detirmined to make main characters, and other annoyingly uninspired elements are the centerpiece of his work. 

/end rant

The crux of the problem is, authors are just too pompous to use other people's material, and feel compelled to make their own stuff--the end result is a universe full of one-time, shallow characters that are ignored even if they're a good concept that could work amazingly well given the proper exposure (namely BalanceSheet, though I admit I am a little biased ^_^).

Authors try to insert their own creativity on things. If they didnt then they would all be the same. Now, I may not like Troy, but Zahn is not bad at all. He was ASKED by Lucas to create new people and a new threat to the rebels. So he came up with Thrawn. Who was an awsome character. He was an expert tactician and w/e we all know him (if not look him up). But he had to make an enemy to fill Vader's shoes and I think he did pretty well.

"Every story they write features elements that aren't found anywhere else in the canon, not even mentioned offhandedly."

What elements?

I'm not saying I have a beef with Zahn, I just wish he'd occasionally use some other peoples material rather than focusing on his own creations, just to give more unity to the overall universe.  The stuff he makes is great, but it all too often gets ignored lately, and it feels like Zahn is about the only one who uses them/writes about them (The Chiss and Talon Karrde being two notable exceptions that have caught on everywhere else).

And yes, Thrawn is awesome.  I'm not discounting that. ^_^

What I mean by that quote is that, for example, Troy's Squibs are never mentioned outside of his novels, where they're almost main characters who show up repeatedly.  Elements of his Dark Nest books (Killiks) are fairly ignored everywhere else(except for the idiotic changes he made to several main characters that outright p*sses me off).  Zahn focuses on his own stuff, and he has a right to do so, but the Hand of Thrawn duology is a prime example of where the author should have used preexisting races instead of creating two new ones that are never mentioned again outside those two books, yet are apparently important enough to almost start a galactic civil war.
There's more than I could possibly list, especially considering I'm not up to date on anything happening in the EU.  My whole point is that authors love their own material above most anyone else's. I'd be the same way if I were writing, though I think these authors are making a huge error in ignoring the wealth of content that already exists, opportunities to build on preexisting characters and elements to make them deeper than before.  I'm all for author's contributing their ideas and creativity, though not at the expense of other people's work.  I would die of happiness if I saw just one of Jeter's original creations from the Bounty Hunter Wars appear anywhere else in continuity.

Oh alright. understood. I get what you mean about the elements now. Thats actually very true. And not only in Star Wars, but other book series that I like. New people come in and change things that are definitely not to be messed with. Things that make up the very core of what the book series is about.

ie, making all the young Jedi flipping "Joiners" who rub their forearms together and act like bugs....permanently.

*looks for something to stab Denning with*

?  sorry ive never read any of his work. I read about 2 chapters of one of his books and immediatly didnt like him. What did he do with Joiners?

And then making Alema Rar into some vengeful creature out for 'balance'.  And then carrying it into Legacy Series.  Wasn't my favourite thing.

He basically effed up most of the younger Jedi by having them spend some time in a Killik hive or whatever, where non-Killiks eventually become Joiners who are part of the hive-mind and behave like insects themselves. 
What's worse is that he made Jaina and Zek "mind-meld" or something where they think each other's thoughts and are basically one person.  That refers to itself as "we" and rubs it's forearms with other Joiners acting like some retarded bug-thing. 
Lesse...Jaina, Zek, Lowie, and Tahiri are the ones I remember being affected, though I know it was more.  Lowie's useless, but the rest already had great potential for further character development, specially Tahiri with her half-Vong personality.

But no.  That's gone now. 
Apparently, it's irreversible.  Thank you very much Denning.

interesting thoughts "balance", and to be honest i totally agree.
i just read "heir to the empire" and thought thrawn was a very smooth character-but ran into some confusion
with the crime lord, karrde. i thought he was the crime lord from the pc game named tymber or something...
long story short it was just one more case of the convoluted nature of starwars.

i think that starwars should have a governing body(much like the catholic church, with religion) that tells the authors that this story need to involve the following characters etc. thats why i think stories like "shadows of the empire" resinate with me, because of the characters i know and love with the integration of a few new antagonists etc.

i realize the universe is larger than the core movie cast, i just wish there was more of a familiar feel to alot of the material, oh and how many one time planets r there?

Goodness, more than can be counted...there's more than enough bleeping planets out there, you don't need to make up new ones all the flipping time.

Part of the reason Episode 3 bugs me, making up six new planets to stage Clone Wars battles on when using preestablished worlds would've made us geeks shiver with awe. 
Even Kashyyk was just another new planet with a preused name slapped on it.  Where are the kilometers-high trees?  The bottomless forests? 
*finds something to stab George's creative team with*

I totally agree with that.  The mental image of Kashyyyk that I had had was kinda torn to pieces at that.  And I really wished they went back to some of the classic planets more often.  Maybe have a fight on Hoth or something?  I dunno.  It was annoying with all their additional planets; hard to keep track of 'em all. 

I wasn't too fond of the whole Alema Rar/Killick/Joiner thing that Denning did.  He kinda twisted the characters' future paths too much, I'd say.

Ok i totaly agree, but, maby the mega trees dont happen near lakes? hmm? maby their further inland and its like a tree-valley.

Or maybe the area that the battle was filmed at was a more industrialized one?  I don't kow about that one, actually.  I think Adeptus has a good point about the inland thing though.

Nonetheless, it's still like staging a battle on Coruscants ice caps.  Or a desert on Yavin 4.   You just don't get what the planet is really like, which especially sucks when the core concept is as great as Kashyyk.

yeah. I agree

i know cOLD in here...
but i just found a new character that is intriguing me.

Bane-Malar
weapon choice...slug thrower FTW
word is they r gonna make a figure of him.
figure pic
and another
anybody ever heard of this guy?he sounds like a cool character.

Awesome. He looks like a cool bounty hunter Cujo, nice find. He's definitely gonna be added to my collection...if i find him.

cool find indeed.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zayne_Carrick

i like that guy, he's from the KotOR comics. plus, he's got a cool first name.

I agree with what you were saying about Troy Denning's work, though balancesheet. I read the first of the Hive Nest Bug books or w/e and didn't like it. I only finished it out of boredom. And he used the comparison to a thumb literally every other chapter. Poor writing. And I also agree with the random planet and writer ego idea, where they have to make everything up and make their stuff mess with the regular universe.

I'd like to see a figure of the guy who had a laster canon for a head, from "The Bounty Hunter Wars."  And a story of how Boba met this dude.

I have read a lot of dissappointment in DENNING, and though I loved some of his D&D books, I found his latest installment overwhelming bad and as I had previously stated, "wanted to unread the series after INVINCIBLE". He did it again going off point, while cool, was still off point. 

ZAHN another guy I liked from D&D books is okay, but I am far and away a fan of TRAVISS as she takes a good bit of time developing not only some smaller characters, but trying to establish a link to the readers.  It feels that there is the huge rush to "resolve" something, but I like the slow approach and building the characters up and letting the mythology develop.   BEsides it makes sense from a marketing perspective, selling more over time and letting talented authors blossom these characters in exile.