Topic: Droids vs Organic Soldiers

Which do you think make better soldiers? Why?
(Should this topic be moved?)

(Is this topic directed at me?)
Well, I think droids are better because they will always do everything at maximum effiency. They dont need to be supplied constantly (except for ammo), They dont get tired, they cant be corrupted, and they dont hesistate or get frightened.

They can be corrupted, get inside their control center, or give them a PC virus, They will do things the best they can, but they can't think for themselves if we are talking about standard B series battle droids.

Yes, but you never said which droids. Droids can be made to do what living organisms cant, they dont have to breath, so they are immune to chemical weapons and can stay under water as long as they need to be. They never get mental stress and they don't question what they're fighting for or who they're fighting it for. (seriously, is this topic directed at me? And what about genetically engineered soldiers, are you counting them as organic soldiers?)

It is directed at whoever logs on and looks under the Serious Geeking thread, and decides to check this thread out.

On topic:If its organic, its organic.

Yeah, but you got the idea from me I think.

I got the idea from a slight sidebar conversation, so now the other thread can be on topic.

ON TOPIC: Droids can only do what they were programed to do. By organics, that, is why organics are superior to droids.

All droids at some point do need matinence. I believe it was in the book Jedi Trial where the organic soldiers, clone and non clone, had successes because the environment was wearing at the droids who were unable to be properly maintained.

Organics do seem to need more than droids, but they have a way of thinking differently than droids and they have the ability to think creatively. I think it was in True Colors, or Cetus Deception, (I'm not sure which, I read them too close together. Maybe it was even in one of the Medstars) where they say that the clones were taking out say 200 droids to each clone trooper.

But not all soldiers are equal. Take the Galatic Civil War, it was fought by "wets" on both sides. and the rebels with less force managed to defeat the Empire. So there are many factors that go into what makes a side win.

(Yeah, but It was my post on a side bar conversation.)

Each one has its weak and strong points, It just depends on the situation.

That is true, but the purpose here I think is to discuss those strong and weak points, from the view of all the different members reading the thread.

When motovated a soldier can do a great many things, but really what motivates a droid? Wires? Mechanics? So its the same gusto when theres 500 of them or 5.

in True colors, they said that due to sabatoge of the metal used in droid manufacture, they were more brittle, making the clone to droid casualties 1:50. Droids need maintenance, sometimes a central computer, they rust, if not water proof, get screwed up cus of that. Still have limited intelligence, even B-2's (SBD's), whereas clones have instinct, training, and are better than normal organics, due to reasons mentioned in Hard Contact that i don't remember off the top of my head. They dont' panic, are better focused, and use their fear. A jedi once said that because clones can think, they might react in unexpected ways, which is why the republic was better off with clones than droids. or something like that

(To bad)

Well I still think that a soldier's strength lies in his(her, it's) adaptability, B1 battle droids lack that, If the entire army was made up of Magna Guards, it would be different, but the B1's are built to be line soldiers, and thats what they do. They can't think for themselves, which means that without their control ships their just cover for something else, as Werda Verda and Si pointed out, the casualty ratio for clones to droids is about 1:50-200 thats a direct result of the droid's lack of creativity. You give an organic soldier a grenade something to mount it with, fishing wire, and tell him to make some kind of defense with it, he could tie the wire to the pin, stretch it across the given area, and conceal the grenade. Do that with a droid, and unless you specifically tell it/ program it with that, it won't know what to do.

Yeah, but you got the idea from me. :P

No, I didn't, You started ranting about how much you like droids better. I made it so it wasn't off topic. I remember the idea forming in my head.

Just admit it, I inspirered you. :)
We were bantering how each was better and you made this thread, I started it, hmm. Maybe you just forgot about it and came up with it while you didnt remember. (sorry about typo)

You didn't inspire me. I refuse to 'abmit' it, as it isn't true, stop posting off topic.

right. droids being pushed back won't fight any differently, but clones that are cornered, or defending a wounded comrade, or something will fight beyond even standard clone standards, because they want to survive. the human body can do amazing things, when pushed. A cornered animal is most dangerous. A cornered clone with a Deece and great training is even more dangerous.

One Magneguard can easily defeat at least ten Republic clone soldiers.
(Think Republic commando)

Yes, but magna guards are basically sentient. B1s are not.

Not Commandos, but regular troops, probably, if it could get close. They were over-strong in the game, and would be much weaker. Also, they are more intelligent than B-1s or B-2s, and have studied Grevious's fighting style for years, so they're highly capable fighters.

Yes the Magnagaurds are very capable, but as I understand it, they mostly use melee combat. If it were finiancially viable ( the magnagaurds are extremely expensive due to their skills and intellegence) to have a whole army of them, it still might fall to a well ranged and heavly fortified clone or organic army. They would loose many before they made it into melee distance. They would have to be modified for ranged combat, and not knowing what they are capable with that type of weaponry, I'd guess that they would be slightly less effective.

There is a reason droids are massed produce.  Because if they were to have an even amount the droids would be wasted.  That's how the Seps won a lot of battles.  By sheer numbers.

Organics I think are obviously superior.  Seriously.  Droids lost to Gungans.  How sad is that?

And that was because of Anakin.

Still, they had tank support and superior numbers, and were still losing significant numbers, and the Gungans don't even have blasters, just spears and plasma ball things that i dont' know what do. Like, big, bouncy grenades. or something.

If the droids are something like what Grevious is then yeah the droids would be better. (Grevious slaughtered like a hundred Republic commandos during the battle of Geonosis) But if were talking about sucky B1 battle droids then organics well come on top every time. (except if the droids have them outnumbered 500000 to 1 or something)

Grevious was a fusion of organic and cybernetic, i.e, a cyborg

Yep.  Only showing another flaw.  When an entire droid army can be knocked out by destroying one control center.

What is difficult to destroy.
It is not realistic when a 9-year old boy accidentally shoots torpedos straight to the reactor core.

Realistically or not he still did it.  They should have had a back-up somewhere else.  But that could be viewed as a weakness for organics.  Since droids are left at the hands of humans, that makes them weak.

He was guided by the Force.
But so true.. Both have their own weaknesses. (Sherlock!!)

Droids would beat soldiers today. Just like HK-47 ( see the topic about him on the BFFC ) would frag grenades actually blow up the droids? The droids armour does actually hold fire. It should be bullet-proof. :/ :O ;)

frags would probably blow B-1's, maybe B-2s, and i don't think that they, like HK-47, are bullet proof. and with the weakness added to the alloy by Jaing, they'd be even weaker. if we can count that.

.........And they get destroyed by the jedi knights! :P :lol: hahahahahahahahahha!

Modern day soldiers would probably find some sort of lovely explosive device to destroy droids.

As for Organics vs Droids, droids are easier in the sense that no lives are really being lost if they are terminated. Their disadvantage comes when they require far more funding for creation and deployment.  They also can be easily disrupted through use of EMP's.  Organics have to be trained, but they have creativity, resourcefulness, and cunning.  Droids just have analysis.  In the end, the high-maintenance droids, regardless of efficiency, would be devastated by the individual ablities of an organic army.

Droids have no individual abilites to exploit. When soilders specialize you get the Cammandos, small force, ver deadly and effective.

(I just noticed how cammando is spelled, comMANDO. :P )

lolz, Si! I think the tosday-soldiers would only defeat the droids with..........

A. -  A lot of heavy gunfire.

B. - Rockets, grenades, Bazooka's, missile launchers....etc.

C. - Getting in a rage and ripping them apart. :P

nice--i hadn't either. Now, can you immagine a SUPER comMANDO

and MC, that basically accounts for all the weapons modern soldiers use anyways. so you point is moot.

Yeah..I can see a normal person ripping a robot apart with his/her bare hands *sarcasm*

I think whoever thought up the Mandalorians did that on purpose :P

I'd say cyborgs beat both organic and robotic soldiers. But between the two, organic.

Cyborgs would maximize efficiency with logic.

But even so, Organics have resourcefulness, creativity, and free thought, which would give them a huge advantage towards the mechanical enemies.

yeah...unless they were AI, then they would PWN some squishy n00bs :P

It depends on how advanced the AI is.  Geonosis battle droids had AI...and look how much that bought them.  The clones, meanwhile, annihilated them.

I think you need some ground rules for this question.  Are you talking Super Battle Droids? or can you mean ANY droid?  If you're talking to organics beat an equel sized army of HK-47's or other such master assassin/combat driods, you have some different numbers coming up on the kill boards

In general, I say organic soldiers beat droids MOST of the time, but I wouldn't make it a rule.  Some droids are not as stupid as the ones most of you are comparing.

Even SBD's aren't the match, 1v1, of a clone trooper. And HK-47 wasn't mass-manufactured, and that would be pretty expensive, i imagine.

Umm.. What?

If you upped the intelligence and all that of droids then the you would have to increase the quality of organic soldiers.  Say making them Jedi soldiers or something.

one clone trooper, versus one Super Battle Droid--the clone would win.

yeah, maybe. but even so, Clones are clones of Jango Fett--a mandalorian, and a born soldier. Even more inteligent droids dont' have the creativity and desire to survive of a human. In one of the RC books, one of the clones said that skirata said that it was the "Imperfections" that the Kaminoans so hated that often gave humans an edge.

The Govinator agrees.

If the robots and organic soldiers are both equally armed, I'd say the organ filled ones would generally win.

"organ filled ones"? that's a new one. i've seen "meatbag" thrown around, but.....and i think most of us are in agreement. MOST. not all, i know.

but can anyone think of a droid that is, on average, about equal, 1V1, to a clone trooper?

What were those droids on The Cetus Deception that took out an ARC?  Or did they not?  It took Kit Fisto to take this thing down.