Topic: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

he shot Zam so she wouldnt tell them who he was so they wouldnt know who to attack

Yet they still somehow found a way to hunt him down anyway.  So you can really argue it either way.  If he had a bit of foresight I'm sure he would have shot Anikan or Obi-Wan.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing, just playing devil's advocate.

And so he wouldnt have the Jedi order on his back

If he shot the Jedi, no one known who the assassin was, and he would still have a partner.

What if one had escaped? realy now, if my trainer/apprentice dropped dead right next to me i would 1 run like hel and glance back to see who did it.l 2 call base, so then there would be a whole bunch of dudes after muderur.

If he's the top of his game, then how hard would it be to kill two unsuspecting Jedi?  It's not easy for them to detect exactly where danger is coming from, and they couldn't tell what form it would take.  Two saber-darts to their necks, and then dress the corpses as some random mugging victims in civvies and there ya go; problem averted.  It also has a positive advantage of keeping a valuable asset alive.  I just think that that was a stupid move on his part.

A weak one who was about to give him away, not the kind of partner ya want...if your in the bounty hunting buissness that is

I never said hehad a good partner.

It's one more person between the crime and himself, and therefore, valuable.

So were the Jedi.

I mean, if he still had Zam alive, it would be one more person distancing himself from the crime, regardless of efficiency.

Him realizing he had a bad partner, was part of the reason he killed her

I hadn't thought of it that way.  But even so, a bad partner is likely to meet their demise in a more inconspicuous location, if the planner is wiser.  Killing them in front of two Jedi who are hunting you is NOT the smartest way to do things.  Now, say, if the JEDI were dead first, and the hunter second, and arranged in a way that made it look like the hunte took them out and died in the same time would have worked long enough for Jango to cover hsi tracks.

How about we all agree that the way things were done so poorly, had more to do with the crappy screenplay writers and less than with the characters themselves.

Unfortunately the actions of our favorite Mandalores are limited by poor character development in a highly biased storyline.

Let's just hope the upcoming Boba Fett TV show doesn't suffer the same tragic fate...

Thanx Sev,
Im perfectly willing to back up my opinions, if offered a direct challenge. Yes, they are opinions. Last I checked I was entitled to a few of those...

I meant to say that lack of Jango's character motivation and reasons for some of his poor choices in the movie were limited by screen writer's portrayal. They had to focus more on other aspects, using Jango's termination of Zem Wessel as a plot device. Unfortunately, such unclear actions are judged by fans on these boards as grounds to knock on Jango.

In some of Jango's comics, like the one with the Mandalore Vs. Jedi battle that proceeds his deal with Darth Tyrannus to offer his services on Kamino, Jango's ability really shines.

Different writers= better portrayal of Jango.

Is that backup enough for you, Sev?

It's really easy to blame sreen writers.  Because you really don't have to back up your opinion.  It is purely opinion.  But when go inside the movie it's fun to debate tactical decisions as it makes it much more in depth.

Sorry if that made no sense.

check my edit...
And we're still on topic!

...'nuff said...

I don't blame the writers per se, it was Lucas who had to gie the final go-ahead.  Honestly, Jango was too much of a "here's a ointo Boba's past; hope it explains things" gimmick.  I preferred Fett back when he was a mystery.

I did not really mean it as a challenge or anything like that...

BUt what I'm saying is that viewing it from a view from reality like you said different people potray characters on how they view them, these characters in no way think for themselves as there is obviously a writer deciding how they should act.

But what I like doing is looking at in context.  As if the characters were flesh and blood, making their own decisions based on circumstances they are in.  It gives the element that you are actually immersed in the world you are reading about.

So on that note I still am not sure whether it was a god or bad decision to shoot Zam.  Jango may have been thinking ahead, realizing these people were Jedi, and figured he may as well make himself as impossible to find by killing Zam.  Jedi can block a blaster bolt which is moving a lot faster than a saber dart.

Can't we all just agree to disagree :P

That would be the best course, but it would leave for minimal debate and influx of opinion.
I still think that it would be wiser to shoot the Jedi,a nd then kill Wessel.  It would be a lot harder to detect a small piece of metal, and deflect it, than it would be to deect and deflect a blaster bolt.  For one thing, a piece of metal is harder to see than a laser.  Three dead bodies, made to look like a bar braw, and no one would pay muc attention to it for ages, until the Jedi were revealed to have been Jedi.  By then, Jango could have been safely away.

That is true, but this discussion is in-universe, which means that writers are not concerned.

Which is what I said basically...

I understand. Don't get me wrong, I just felt like backing what I felt was a valid, intellectual opinion and not just some half baked "easy way out" comment . Sorry if I got a little crazy about it, especially to Sev. I meant no harm.

I agree that Jango made a poor desicion. Maybe he was in a rush to get home to little Boba?

Ha I could imagine it now.  Jango is about to shoot one of the Jedi but Boba calls on his com channel.  Dad! We were supposed to go swimming!

LOL...sigh...

...that is pretty funny, Sev...

I apologized if my post sounded like an attack, I was just trying to get Sev's point across. And yeah, that is pretty funny.

"Boba!  What have I told you about family calls when I'm at work!  You know this is a secure channel!"
"But Daaad, you SAID!  Besides--"

*Jango takes his shot at the Jedi, misses, and hits Wessel*

"Um, Boba, could you call me back later?  Yes...Yes, I know I promised...Yes, I will be back soon..."

Now, I dunno bout the rest of you, but if someone got a bug on Jango's line right then, if that was what happened, they would start wondering what this guy's doing in his business.  I think a call like that would be hilarious if it happened to a cold and deadly bounty hunter.

I smell a spoof skit coming up.  BUt not from me. :P

Aw c'mon!  It'd be FUUUN!

Back to Drako's original hitlist:

That's called expanding your business.  Unless you can prove that Jango was cowering in a corner while his stringer's were working a job aranged by him, that's an unfair attack

Never read that, so don't know.  Sound's like bad writting (or bad illustration based on the confusion on whether or not it even WAS a rocket)

You talking about not wearing his helmet in the arena in Ep. II?  Who was going to recognize him??  The bugs??  They're almost totally planetbound (by choice as I understand it due to their hive nature); and if Dooku doesn't already know his face from when they met on Galidraan, then I'm sure Jango feels that Dooku's position as "Republic's Most Wanted" places him in an unlikely position to harm his reputation.

As I understand it, Jango led the True Mandalorians back from the brink and was kicking Death Watch BUTT untill betrayed by the Governor of Galidraan; think you wouldn't have fallen for it?

This one I have to aggree with.  I feel this was a flaw by the writers/Lucus; but as you said, it did happen, and it's up to us to interpret.  We know Jango is a Jedi killer; he supposedly killed many by himself at the Battle of Galidran.  So I don't think he was afraid of them.  However, I'm sure he did his research and knew who was guarding Padme', and perhaps knew that those two together were too much for him.  There's all kind's of speculation here about "he should have shot a rocket", "he should have fired a dart into each."  Maybe he did.  Maby 'Mandalorian Assassin' had it right in a way.  He could have taken a shot at one of the Jedi but missed (it was a very long shot); but who knows.

This is just nit-picking.  It's hard NOT to stand out in the crowd when you're wearing Mandalorian Battle Armor; and based on some of the earlier posts it doesn't sound like he had any trouble with stealth

All in all, I like him.  Not as much as Boba, I think, but up there.

I thought we/I allready proved Draco wrong? but if you want me to again just rad my old posts

I still would have to disagree.  I think Jango's not as good.  I like him (he's Mando) but he can make judgmental errors.  I still maintain that he could've killed the Jedi, but hey, Lucas needed a loophole for Kenobi to extort.  And in the comics the two guards with two rockets does seem to be a waste of ordnance.  Boba wasn't even originally intended to be a clone, in fact, he was slotted to be a Jaster Mereel, before Lucas caught onto the fan hype, and fleshed out his background more.  With the new history, Boba would not exist if not for Jango, but nonetheless, he managed to outdo his "father" in his line of work.  And as to the removal of the helmet, well, in Kamino and at Geonosis, I can understand why he would feel comfortable doing so.  But that doesn't mean I have to like it.  It all comes down to a matter of aesthetic prefernce in the end.

Boba didn't use two wrist rockets when one would have worked.

I never said Boba didn't make many of the same mistakes Jango did.

But then, Boba wasn't thrown in all of Jango's situations.  And JAngo didn't go through what Boba had to go through.

I don't think he's as good as Boba either; I'm just confused at why people nit-pick (yeah, I like that phrase) over the little things Jango did wrong.  My biggest complaint against Jango is that he doesn't use his blasters properly.  None of the Jedi he faced was using 2 light sabers, meaning he that if he sent a burst of rapid fire at either Obiwan or Mace he should have taken them down without much trouble (I don't care how good you are with a light saber; you can't block more then one bolt at a time for long, especailly if they're well spread). 

This stuff about "he used 2 rockets" and "his armor is too shinny" seem to me like lines that are being thrown around to justify some other reason for not liking him.  Don't know what that could be, as he seems like an interesting character to me, and he and the battle at the end made an otherwise boring Ep. II for me. 

Jango didn't jump onto a hover skiff with a Wookiee, Han Solo, AND a Jedi, but everybody still loves Boba (including me, even though it was a really stupid thing to do).  You (yes, I mean you, Draco) could pin the "idiot" tag on Boba for that one, and it's really a much more stupid move then using 2 wrist rockets.

If you guys hate Jango because he brought light to a formerly dark and mysterious character, fine.  But lets start giving the real reasons for Jango hating.

I don't hate Jango, I just explain my reasoning for his not being the "greatest warrior ever", as some have pretty much called him.

It would be very easy to pin the "idiot" tag on Boba, but that is not what the topic is about.

In my opinion the worst thing Jango did was dive for that lightsaber, not the smartest move when he could've just shot Mace.

Yes, I agree with you completly

You don't?!?  Ok, if you say so. . .

But you HAVE called him an idiot and a coward.  Those are the two points that I contest with you

About grabbing for Mace’s lightsaber instead of shooting him; yeah, dumb move.  Yet another case of bad writing, I think.  We know Jango fought and killed several Jedi, so we can assume he’d know to shoot first when given an opening like that.  Since that IS the move the damn writers AND Lucas chose to give him, I interpreted it as a move made out of disorientation from just being run over by the Reek.

I’d rather just pretend it didn’t happen that way and reshoot the whole thing in my mind   :P

I reject your reality and substitute it with my own!

Fine then "Adam"...

Mythbusters rocks!

Hecks yeah :D
*gets into rocket car covered in anti radar gun material, and prepares to race a toy car* :D

lol; something like that

I call one of my rabbits mentally challenged and cowardly, but I certainly do not hate him.

This is a very good point... he is only as stupid/cowardly as he is written to be. Instead of hating on the character, hate on the writers.

That's what I used to say (and still say a lot); but Draco makes a good point on this.  We literally SEE what he does.  In the movies and in the EU.  Content that is considered canon can't really be rejected.  He does something stupid (because of a stupid writter), and it's up to us to decide how we want to interpret it. 

I personally only take the movies as 100% canon (though I really don't want to with most parts with Jango AND Boba, because of how bad Lucas and the writters make them look at times).  The EU I pick and choose from depending on what sounds right to me.

On the flip side; this is SciFi, ment for our amusment!  Non of this needs to be fact or fiction.  If you or I don't want to see Jango or any other charachter in a cirtain light, make a fanFic or something and recreate/improve him/her to your heart's content.  Not all will agree with you, but if it's the way you want to see that character, go for it!

actually the blind smuggler aka Han Solo hit boba's jet pack wich made his jet pack goof up and sent him SCREEMING into the sarlacc's mouth

even though she would have seen it coming she couldnt do anything about it. also if she survived she could tell someone else. as well in case you didnt know, anakin and obi-wan are jedi. they cense things. to the guy above you: hireing others is smart not cowardy. more chances of getting the bounty. to everyone: jango taught boba everything boba knew.