Topic: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

Seriously, I have seen people call him an idiot, a coward, and all kinds of other stuff, for no apparent reason. Where does that come from? I like Boba better, but it doesn’t mean I hate Jango.

An idiot? The only reason he died was that his suit was destroyed by the reek. Both of the Fetts rely on evasion when they fight, just look at their weapons and rocketpacks. With no escape and only two blaster pistols, even the best shot in the world could not stop a powerful jedi from walking up and slicing their head off.

A coward? I don’t even know where that one comes from…if he was a coward, wouldn’t he have dropped his guns, bowed down and said “Please Mace Windu, I know I kinda lit you on fire, but don’t cut my head off!”

1. There is an existing topic for this conversation: http://www.bobafett.com/boards/viewtopic.php?id=893
2. When people (usually I) call Jango an idiot coward, the give their reasons, so you can read those.
3. I never said that Jango is an idiot because of his death.

Coward:
-hires other mercenaries to do the jobs that he was hired to do

Idiot:
-used two wrist rockets to kill two guards, who were right next to each other, and were running away. One rocket or two blaster bolts would have worked.
-does not wear helmet in public, which is not intelligent in his line of work
-lead thee Mandalorians to decimation for the first time in centuries
-shot Zam when he could have shot Anikan and Obi-Wan
-armor is reflects too much light, whick ca attract unwanted attention

That is all that I can think of at the moment.

I don't think he's an idot or a coward, but yeah, it would have made much more sense for him to shoot Obi-wan or Anakin.  They wouldn't have seen it coming if they couldn't see it coming for Zam.

SF

"Coward:
-hires other mercenaries to do the jobs that he was hired to do"

Um, thats called sub-contracting, and I fail to see how cowardice applies... he has done plenty of more challenging things himself.

"Idiot:
-used two wrist rockets to kill two guards, who were right next to each other, and were running away. One rocket or two blaster bolts would have worked."

Wow, that is so much not a valid reason that i'm not responding

"-does not wear helmet in public, which is not intelligent in his line of work"

Um... every bounty hunter has to wear a helmet? Nope.

"-lead thee Mandalorians to decimation for the first time in centuries"

He did not cause them to die, they would have been beaten no matter who was leading.

"-shot Zam when he could have shot Anikan and Obi-Wan"

Yes, because the two main characters should have been killed in the first 15 minutes. That would make sense...not.

"-armor is reflects too much light, whick ca attract unwanted attention"

I'm sure he knows its shiny. That does not make him an idiot... He obviously doesn't care that the people he is hunting can see him, because he will kick their ass anyway.

Hiring others: That is true, but it does not show wonders for his bravery, or honor.

Wrist rockets: That was a complete waste of useful, powerful, expensive weapons.

Helmet: Most bounty hunters do not have such a useful, versetile helmet to wear.

Mandalorians: Under other leadership, the conqured planets without being nigh-obliterated.

Shot Zam: This conversation is not about weather it would make for a good movie, it is about reasons for hating Jango. Not shooting the Jedi was a very unintelligent choice.

Armor: He was beaten more than once, so he can not defeat any opponent.

When I call him an idiot coward, I am obviously exagerating, but not by much.

Hey draco... Those are wrist lasers in that panel, not rockets. Anyway, I don't hate him. I almost like Jango as much as Demagol, or Revan... Wait... Not that much. But still, Lucas wrote it that way and there is nothing we can do about it. So blame him, not the character.

Lasers could not cause such an explosion.

We cannot blame the writers because this debate is in-universe.

True, however Jango wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Boba's popularity.

I guess what annoys me is that Jango is stated (more in the novels) to be one of the best bounty hunters of his time. I didn't really see him do anything particularly great in the film. However, the Bounty Hunter game, now that was a different matter... Jango kicked arse in that.

I doubt that with all the money he was making with the clone deal with Dooku (5 Million credits i think) wrist rockets would have been that much of an expense.

But still, why waste them?

Jango also left Montross alive in the game. If he was a bit more practicle, he would have made sure that he was dead, no matter how slim the chances of his survival.

ummmm... if your going to say that then Boba didn't do much ether.
draco- "lasers could not cause such an explosion."
they were blasters so yes they could.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blaster

Ok, time for me to give my two cence:
1. Boba had other people do his work all the time.  Take using Bossk and Zuckess in the Bounty hunter wars novels.  He just double crosses them.
2. Boba wastes more the Jango.  If you've read the stories of Bar and Ry Kooda you see him use wrist darts instead of blasters all the time.
3. Jango is also more human the Boba, and explains a lot.  Sure, he walks about without a helmut.  Sure he leaves some people alive when killing them might be easier.  He even tries to raise a kid.  Boba is pretty mucha souless abomination.

Oh, and when about a bazzilion, quillion, million troopers have you're genetic template, I'd geuss you're not concerned who knows what you look like.

jango being more human is sorta what annoys me.
i dont have as much distain for him as some, but he removes much of the mystery of boba...which undermines the original fett. pre episode2 i thought boba was a one of a kind. lucas tried to poop on that.

i want boba to be that "souless abomination" so to speak. cold and not removing his helmet EVER!
eat thru a straw!

you leave ur helmet on, not only to hide ur identity, but because everybody wants drama with the best.

First, Wookieepedia is not trustworthy. Second, blasters are shot numerous times in the movies, yet they do not cause explosions when they strike a person down.

Boba did not have others do his work all of the time, only occasionally. Jango had at least three mercenaries who did his work often. It was implied that he had numerous others.

In those comics, the use of the rockets are not wasted with overkill. Also, I never said that some of these also about Boba do not bother me aswell.

Jango is pretty close to an abomination. In Star Wars: Bounty Hunter, he drops a senetor off of a building. It has been a while sence I last played it, but I do not remember him getting paid for the assassination.

No one knew that he was the template for the army. Obi-Wan had to do extensive research to even find out about the army. When it was introduced to the galaxy outside of Kamino, I don't see why anyone else would know who the DNA supplier was.

blasters are shot numerous times in the movies, yet they do not cause explosions when they strike a person down.
have you ever seen episodes 4,5,6 the stormtroopers blasters are always makeing a explosion whenever they miss (wich is a lot). and it's a comic what are you going to do show 2 little lines going through them? I have a few comics and the blasters there make explosions too.

"First, Wookieepedia is not trustworthy." I've already talked to you about why I trust wiki only as much as I trust the rest of the internet. and I'm now also giving other sorce's like umm... THE MOVIES.

I don't see why anyone else would know who the DNA supplier was.
"Hey that clone looks JSUT like that bounty hunter that was here last week..." And also when the clones got to the jedi to help you don't think that they would send someone then to go check it out?

Look, If you do not believe me draco, I have that comic book right here. And they are red-ish purple-ish lasers.

Blaster bolts have not caused explosions in the movies when they strike a person down. I have plenty of comics in which the blasters go right through the person. That is the way that it happens it the movies.

It does not matter weather or not you trust wikis, it is extremely easy to find misinformation on them. Why don't you try the Databank?

That is my point; If he kept his helmet on, people would have know way of knowing that he was the template.

I just checked my copy of the comic. In one panel, Jango is pointing both wrist rockets at the two guards. In the next panel, there is a gigantic explosion  that could not possibly be caused by blasters, even if they could cause minor explosions.

"Blaster bolts have not caused explosions in the movies when they strike a person down." I have plenty of comics in which the blasters go right through the person. That is the way that it happens it the movies."
YES THEY DO!!!! I JUST said that stormtroopers blasters are always makeing a explosion whenever they miss and when ever han/chewie shoots a stormtrooper they (gues what) EXPLODE just as big as in the comic.
"It does not matter weather or not you trust wikis, it is extremely easy to find misinformation on them. Why don't you try the Databank?" once again I've already said-and I'm now also giving other sorce's like umm... THE MOVIES.
"That is my point; If he kept his helmet on, people would have know way of knowing that he was the template."
But what I was answering to was:"No one knew that he was the template for the army. Obi-Wan had to do extensive research to even find out about the army. When it was introduced to the galaxy outside of Kamino, I don't see why anyone else would know who the DNA supplier was." you should have said was:"No one WOULD know that he was the template for the army." pluse the fact that Obi-Wan had to do extensive research to even find out about the army, shows that the whole helm thing is not inportant.
(you should realy read my posts BEFORE dissing jango/me)

It would be helpful for you to seperate your thoughts with the Enter key.

When the stormtroopers miss, they do not strike a person down. Han and Chewbacca's bolts explode on stormtroopers because the bolts are not strong enough to completely pierce the armor. Thos explosions do not come near the size of the explosions from Jango's rockets.

Your movie citation was not completely relevent, though.

I do not really understand what you are trying to say about the helmet.

I always do read the posts, and I have not insulted you at all, or Jango recently.

The blaster bolts definatly do not explode.

Zam was killed because she was about to give away Jango. It's much smarter to kill her than them at the moment Draco...

If he killed the Jedi, he would still have had someone to do his work for him, and would not have to worry about them.

If he had killed the Jedi, it would cause a huge scandal, and a lot more public attention.  Eventually he'd have people like Mace Windu, Plo Koon, Kit Fisto, etc. chasing him.

And there is the chance that the Force would kick in causing the Jedi to chase Jango and possibly kill him.

In a place like that, there would be no way of identifying the killer, especially if he did not use the sbre-darts.

Ok....so many things to say.

I agree with draco,blasters don't make explosions,there may be an 'explosion' like discharge if they hit steel however.

Hiring other bounty hunters to do a job you accepted isn't cowardly,it's actually pretty smart.Especially if you need to get another job done at the same time.

I don't think it's a bad idea to have bright armor(unless you're in a situation needing stealth) I mean,anyone that is trying to get away from him by hiding would probobly panic at the sight of the armor and run,making the hunt considerably easier.

And anything you find on wiki can be messed with,which is why you double check wich LA first,but not everything on wiki is a lie.

And Jango could not have killed Obi-Wan and Anakin,maybe one of em with the first shot,but the other wouldn't fall for the same thing!

,And I still don't see why you dislike Jango so much Draco!?

Jango does not always do other jobs, though. Even if it is not cowadly, it is still dishonorful.

He keps his armor shiney even when he needs stealth.

Tha is what i mean, and why you shold not cite a wiki as your only source.

He does have two blasters.

It is merely my opinion. I do not try to force it upon anyone, I just defend my reasoning.

I dont completly dislike Jango like Draco does, but i do believe what he is saying about the darts and killing Zam first. If he shot one of the Jedi instead of Zam and then fought any one of them one on one he would have beat them. On Kamino he nearly killed Obi Wan (but naturally he got lucky...) so he could probably handle Anikan as well. And for those of you who think that they would sense the dart coming, they didnt sense it when it killed Zam, so he could definitly kill one off and take down the other.

P.S.
Blaster shots definitly don't explode. Little discharge at most.

canonically, no jango=no boba.

reality: no Baba equals no Jango.

Don't look at me I don't disprespect or hate Jango even if his tatics are less than ingenious. So what if George Lucas created Jango to give origin to Boba, I just like the story.

Actually I agree with that Draco no Boba=no Jango but at the same time in the story no Jango=no Boba (I hate this timeline s*** it gives me a headache)

only cause Jango is no match 4 Boba

I agree. I also think that if Boba had not have been so popular then Jango would not have existed.

Some things just come naturally...

Boba came before Jango.

yeah and he would've been in a lot more trouble if he killed 2 jedi knights. then it wouldn't just be Obi-Wan investigating. the whole order would want to know what happened. I don't think Tyranus would be pleased with the jedi nosing around just because Jango didn't want to kill a worthless bounty hunter instead of 2 jedi.

If he shot them (or Zam) with a blaster, there would have been no evidence that would point to Jango.

This is a little late, but I agree with Volk-Ordo. If Jango had shot at the Jedi, I don't think he'd have killed both. The first one hit might have fallen, then Zam would've yelled out "Oh Crap! Jango!", the surviving Jedi would have assumed a battle stance with his 'saber at the ready, Jango would have flown off(because he knows fighting a Jedi is such close quarters as an alley puts him at a disadvantage,not because he's a coward), the remaining Jedi would have taken Zam to be interrogated more thoroughly and then she would have revealed Jango to the Jedi.

He could use a wrist-rocket. If that didn't kill both of them, it would atleast give Jango the chance to shoot the survivor.

If a wrist rocket could've killed both Jedi, wouldn't it have killed Zam,too? Given her proximity to both of them? And I think the Jedi could have avoided the blast from a rocket. It would have been louder and slower than a dart or blaster bolt.

Zam would die, but he would not be tracked. While fighting Jango on Kamino, Obi-wan just dodged Jango's missile. That is heavier, and therefor likely slightly slower. Because he was in mid-battle, Obi-wan was completely alert. In the ally, the smaller amount of alertness, the likely lighter rocket, and the downward angle of the rocket (which may have subtracted a second or so) would probably made them susceptible.

He was a lot closer to Obi-Wan when he shot that rocket. Shooting one from a rooftop some distance away would be different. Somewhere during the rocket's travel it would have made an audible noise that would have alerted one of the Jedi. And I think Jango's wrist rockets are dumb-fire. There's a good chance that they would have limited accuracy over long ranges and most likely would have missed his targets. He'd have only succeeded in creating an explosion that would have alerted both Jedi and prevented him from making a successful second attack.

The rocket he shot at Obi-Wan was much larger, and presumably, stronger than a wrist rocket would have been. The jetpack mounted rocket didn't do much damage even though Obi-Wan barely dodged it. I can't see a wrist mounted rocket,even if it hit it's mark, killing both Jedi.

Two wrist rockets were fired with accuracy and power that is extreme overkill. Because the Jedi were in a crowded area, it would be unlikely that they would here the rocket.

Are you talking about the rockets he fired at those two anarchists on Kuat? Because he was a lot closer to them than he would have been to Anakin and Obi-Wan. Also, I think there's some debate over how accurately the artist for that story portrayed the strength of his rockets.

Since they were in a crowded area, I'm sure someone in the alley or nearby would have said something along the lines of," Dude, what's that rocket thingy in the air?". Then one of the Jedi, probably Kenobi, would have looked up and deflected it right before it exploded.

Even if the rocket didn't kill both of them, it would disorientate the other, leaving him open to attack.

Even if someone did notice, they might be drugged up, not care, or say something about in a language not known to Kenobi.

I  don't think his wrist rockets are powerful enough or accurate enough to kill either of them. If a rocket fired close-range from his jetpack didn't hurt Kenobi, even though it exploded almost right in his face, the chance that a smaller rocket would kill either is low ( even if  it had picked up more momentum from traveling a further distance). Zam might have gotten killed if the rocket exploded close enough to them, but only because she was already injured.

Yea thats what i was gonna respond to Gustavo with. No one alive would have seen Jango so there would be nothing linking him with anything.

Rockets would have been unnecessary in that situation. He should've used his Flamethrower because in that enclosed area of the alley it would have been a devistating, and unblockable, attack.

He was too far away to use his flamethrower.

If he was im sure he could clear the distance easily, or better yet they would come to him, assuming he didn't already kill one with a dart instead of Zam.

That would still take care of Zam without evidence.