Topic: Commanods Vs Spartans

Ok so here is a good match up. who would win this one? 2 squards of each, 4 man in each squad. Me and BD think that the commandos would win.

I don't even know what a " Spartan " is, but i'm gonna go with Commmandos.

Master cheif from halo is a spartan

BD

(Commandos Vs Fett.)

Did you get this idea from that?

I would say Spartans.  Master Chief rocks!!!

I have never played Halo. It never intrested me much. I'd probably fall for one of Characters anyway, then end up buying the soundtrack, then looking for anything relitive to it..etc. :D

Actually I don't think comandos could take spartans.

It was pretty close match up between MC and Boba (no matter who you thought would win). And since I still hold that Boba has a fighting chance against a whole squad, then I think a group of spartans would win.

Spartans are super strong, fast, have shields, and have military backgrounds for their whole lives.(called SPARTANS for a reason :))
Commandos have good armor, great squad tactics, and training through theirs lives (but since they were speadily aged, they have less experience than spartans.)

But they we're drilled repeatedly into Battle Tatics and were taught by Jango.
They to have shields and have can recharge their Brothers, they have EMP'S and Thermal Dets, Anti-armor, Sniper rifles, and could probably Hotwire some rubble to explode.

They grew up together, know eatchother's weaknesses, they've got their Brothers Back.

Yes, they were drilled by Jango, but they were still rushed through it because of their genetics. Spartans endured a similar training except for much more time.

By recharge their Brothers i think your talking Bacta, which is a dangerous area that I hate to talk about because nobody completely understands what bacta can do. Some stories have it as a miracle healer, while other have it as nothing more than a small antibiotic.

The cool things about both groups are the stories that acompany their greatest squad accomplishments. Spartans blowing up hordes of elites and grunts with spider mines then slaughtering their ranks with extreme predjudice. Commandos knocking down droids like dominoes, trouncing over stripped wires and detonating robots everywhere.

Fierfek!
I'm gonna have to pick up a Halo game next chance i get...or at least read about it. :D

nope, www.Republiccommando.net

The same amount of spartans as commandoes right?

Even if one Commando is worth half a Spartan, four commandos makes two spartans. Are you suggesting Two Spartans could not take Boba Fett....

Well since your math is based on the assumption that 2 commandos are worth 1 spartan which I never agreed to, then i must say that I disagree with your post and your assumptions about my thoughts.

Its also tough to say the comparison between squads since Spartans have many different abilities, some are faster, some stronger, some smarter. Commandos are identical genetically and usually mentally, so they cannot use eachothers strengths to counterbalance weaknesses as Spartans can.

Not true, The commanods were not trained by Jango, they were trained by Mando Mercs. Jango got them all to come and train them though. And all of the commanods are differnt. they are not all identical. Genes, looks, and body size are all the same, but thier personality are all differnt. I mean, look ant Sev, and Scorch, ones a scary hunter, the other is the funniest commando you have ever seen. They all think differnt, act different, and fight different. They are not all the same, period. and they do use each others strenghts and weaknesses to counterbalence it out. In TZ, they mix up the squads according to the strengs and weaknesses.

I'm going to have to go with Commandos here.  Even though Master Chief and his marines are extremely cool Commandos would just make it out in the end.  When you think of it they are very, very close, but there are two reasons I would go with Commandos.  First, correct me if I'm wrong but Spartans are independent beings and prefer to work alone, while Commandos are trained in the squad based fighting system.  Secondly there is a slight bit of bias on my part being a Boba Fett fan. Lol

Hmm, when you say Spartans I think of the ones from Ancient Greece in the 1st Century AD - they were serious bad boys. They were taken away from there parents about about age seven and trained as military machines. Hell they used to send them out into the woods with no clothes, food or anything and they had to fend for themselves for a year - if they lived that long. Plus they got regular beatings to make them stronger. Such a loving society.

Give these guys modern weapons and a bit of training and I think they'd whipped Commando butt. Simply because their survival instinct would be far stronger.

But I have no idea if these Spartans have anything to do with the Halo ones. :/

The historic Spartans were also trained to be completely unemotional. There was a tale of a Spartan boy who had a fox under his coat. It eventually tore away his skin, and crawled inside of him. The boy showed no pain, and when he died and everyone found out, he was considered a hero. If the Halo Spartans were supposed to be futuristic versions of them, I vote Spartans.

The only assumption I was making was that you knew as much information on the Commandos as you did the Spartans....

What I was saying was that there was no possibility that a Republic Commando is worth any less than half a Spartan. If you are saying that Two Commandos wouldn't stand a chance against one spartan then I don't think you know enough about one or either side.

The other thing is that as Arc Fett said, they all have weaknesses and they all have strenghts...Spartans and commandos alike.... The Commandos sound different (Sev has a gruff voice whereas Scorch has a more "I don't care" voice), Smell different, have different opinions, make different choices...In fact when it comes down to it, the only thing that isn't different is the way they look. You have demolitions experts (Darman or Scorch) Snipers (Sev) medis (Fi) Technicians experts (Atin or Fixer) and then the ones with true leadership capabilities (Niner or Boss) just like the Spartans. The Spartans were trained most of their lives just like the commandos. (Although a life time for a commando is half a lifetime for a Spartan.) The Sprtans and the Commandos were both trained by the best of the best and both had the best equipment available...

Now the adavntages for the Spartans was obviously the enhancement program. The treatment that disabled some, killed others but made the remainder faster, stronger, more resistant and generally unlike any other soldiers in the UNSC. The other advantage is of course the armor. The armor does not slow them down at all. The Spartans can move as fast with the armor as without. It can withstand fairly heavy damage before it is destroyed. This means of course that it could not withstand a rocket, but can resist at least a few shots...And thats without the shield. The Shield is capable of taking anything short of a heavy shell before having to recharge. The shield has been known to withstand a clip of ammo or a grenade without needing to be recharged...

The Commandos however, also have armor. They are also super-soldiers, and they also have shields. Now the armor is not superior to the Mark IV let alone the Mark VI, but it isn't Stormtrooper armor. They won't be killed instantly due to a single shot to unprotected armor. Its relatively tough stuff. Its still made of Plastoid, but I would imagine its thicker, or is made of a stronger alloy. The Commandos are also super-soldiers. By that I mean that they are stronger and faster than any average man. Not because they had special treatment that killed half of them, but because they were trained to peak. They can travel at approximately 8 KM per hour, with their packs and with heavy equipment (Niner said he was trying to make 10 klicks an hour with a heavy load as well as his armor in Hard Contact, which probably indicates he was going 8 or 9 klicks) We're talking pretty heavy equipment so it is very impressive for someone to be able to travel at that speed for even five minutes. And they were v ery strong men, as well as being very skilled in hand to hand combat. Plus they had their shields, which similarly to the Spartan's could take a clip of (Star wars) ammo or so. Plus teammates carried bacta and parts of the armor can be taken off at will and administered to. Now I finished reading First Strike over a year ago so my memory is a little fuzzy, But I don't remember any quick healing agent like bacta being used in the field in any of the Halo books, or games for that matter. So bacta is surely an advantage.

There is no way. NO WAY that 4 commandos would lose to Boba Fett if one Spartan could almost take him.

4 Spartans could take 4 commandos...But 4 Spartans would not be able to take any more than 6 Commandos if such a battle ensued.

A Commando is worth more than half a Spartan, maybe three quarters of a spartan. I previously said half a Spartan because I figured that someone who had obviously already underestimated the Commandos would have at least accepted that....

No offence intended by any of this by the way, I'm simply seeing this as a friendly difference of opinion.

nice one man, but you also have to remember that in TZ Atin, shot fi point blank with a Verpine shatter gun, and all it did was leave a huge brusie. and in Hard Contact Atin got hit in the chest with a giant round (dose not say what kind, just "that was not a regullar round") It might have been a anti infantry round. Boss got hit with an anti infantry round, and it jsut lowered his health to medium. It multiplayer RC, i have been hit with a rocket before, and almsot died... then i got sniped. :(. but in Halo, you get hit with a rocket, your dead! so you have to think about the games, and not just the books. Based on the info I have just typed, I believe even more, that RC would win.

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I'm pretty sure it was a Verpine Shatter rifle.

probably was.

I totally agree. That is exactly what I was thinking when I read that part in Hard Contact.

I'm not saying I know everything...I haven't read all of Hard Contact and I haven't even started Triple Zero. Plus I haven't played the actual game for at the very least 4 months.

I think 4 Spartans would beat 4 Commandos in an all out fight.... In Some woods where the Commandos can rely on some guerrilla tactics though...No contest.

well, it might depend on the terrian. and the weapons that they used. the Commandos have thier DC-17's with attachements, and DC-15 pistols, and nades AND thier vibroblades. Spartans have Battle rifles, magnums, and nades.

That puts the Spartans at a disadvantage as they do not have any heavy firepower, whereas the Commandos have the anti-armor attachment.

Besides even if all the Commandos had was the vibroblade on their gloves, they'd still come out top if it was in a woodland area or somewhere with lots oif shadow.

Presumably you just forgot about the vibroblade though...

but thats thier normal load out, anti-armor,sniper rifle, and normal assault weapon. the Spartans jsut have: battle rifle, magnum, and nades. It is all based off what thier normal load outs are.

And I did not forget about the Vibroblade, i jsut did not think that it was important.

You've already seen how well projectile rifles do against Commandos.

yeah, they suck. the dont do anything to it. Katarn armour was desighed to resist plasma weapons, which are alot more powerful the projectile weapons.

If the UNSC knew what kind of battlezone the Spartans were headed into here, I would have thought they'd be equipped like they were in Delta Halo or the one after Delta Halo (who's name escapes me...)

Either way at the beginning of Delta Halo you were given a rocket launcher and an SMG.
And the next level you were given one of those Covenant Sniper Rifles (beam rifle) and then a plasma pistol or something.

No matter what the normal compliment of weaponry is the UNSC aren't stupid even if compared to others they are ill-equipped. I think they'd giove the Spartans heavier firepower to the Battle Rifle and Magnum...Especially the Magnum...

I thought 4 commandoes were equal to a Arc trooper and Boba is better than an Arc trooper so he could beat 4 commandoes.

Hm. Is this a conclusion brought forward from ...uh the 2nd RC novel who's name escapes me.....Guess I'm getting forgetful in my old age (16)

Ummm. Well in Star wars Miniatures... an Arc is 18 points, Boss is 19 points, The other 3 commandos are 16 and the best Boba Fett is 62 points.

That suggests that Boss is better than an Arc. An Arc is better than Scorch, Fixer or Sev and the four commandos together are slightly better than Boba Fett.

Points are usually reflective of how good they are but as Sadriel may tell you, they arenl't the greatest reflection of ability ever.

4 commanods would own a ARC trooper in 3 seconds. Commandos are alot better than ARC Troopers. Commandos have more tactical, training the ARC's do.

Hey thats just what i heard so i dont know maybe you are right. But i heard a Arc is more like Jango.

They still have their independence.
Republic Commandos work in Squads, while ARC's work alone.

ARC troopers dont work alone, they work in pairs. they just dont send a single ARC trooper out to go scouting, he has to have someone cover him.

EDIT: But Commanods are also are very deadly when they work alone.

Oh, yeah. :D  My bad.

Yes, Commandos are Deadly when they work alone.
If i remember right, didn't Niner take out part of a small vilage?

It seems already clear that Commandos can handle certain matters when their by-themselves.

He blew up that communications building, and his ordnance took out some of a village yes.

ok, I think that I'm having seconds thoughts, I think that they might kill each other. and mabey the spartans would win.

I thought the Spartans were tougher from the start.

The equipment and training are all fairly similar stuff, but the Spartans are super-soldiers.