Topic: Aylin Vel

If he does, I will too.

TW

If you don't want spoilers, don't read this post.

Guess what?  I just read a wikipedia review of bloodlines, and Ailyn Vel does indeed die, but not at the hands of Boba.(Boba doesn't die either, TW).  You see, Ailyn Vel's 18 year old daughter pretends to team up with Boba so that she can lead him to Ailyn and they can try to kill him together.  However, they both discover that Ailyn took a bounty on the Solo family, and as a result was brutally tortured to death by Jacen Solo, proving that she was never Boba's equal.  Boba and his granddaughter reconcile, and they bury Ailyn next to Jango on Geonosis.

SF

That is very meaningful.

I actually read the scene twice, I couldn't believe it happened.
It's very brutal and stark in how it's done.
It feels like a sucker punch.

But I believe they are just picking up Jango, to bury them both on Mandalore.

What, that they buried her next to Jango?

SF

But Boba IS human... *sigh*  and did they make Ailyn canon now?   (I have not read Bloodlines yet...nor do I have it yet....) I like reading any or all spoilers to come my way!  They just make me want to read the book more ;)

Thanks, Ursula!  Things are looking up a bit, but still not where they could be...
My birthday is Monday, so that's kinda making everything run smoothly for now :) This whole weekend is going to be fun!

She is canon.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! CURSE YOU AYLIIIIIIIIIINN!!!

tw :P

*laughs sardonically*
Just one of those things I suppose. But I digress, Aylin or no Aylin it's still Boba.

Yeah...*SIGH* I guess...well, if Karen writes her in, I'm for it I suppose...I like Traviss' work!  Hope to pick up Bloodlines tomorrow as I got a $25 gift card to Borders for my birthday!! yea!!  It's good online too, so I might try to get A Practical Man as well!

I think that Ursula said that she dies.

*music plays* "HALALUYA!HALALUYA!" AWESOME!!!! :D i am truly happy that this monster of non-canon trash is going to DIE!!!!!!! :D

TW

Monster of canon trash. I do not see why everyone hates her personally.

Yeah, I scanned ahead a bit---Just bought Bloodlines today! :)  I also picked up Insider and have Triple Zero held to pick up tomorrow.  I also just had to buy one pack of those SW Evolution cards...

Nah, it's not that I hate her, but it just seemed so unlike Fett (his character we have grown to love) to have kids...it would really just take some time to get used to, I guess.

Hm, it looks like it's safe to read this book then.  Even though I'm disappointed to know the ending, I'm grateful for these spoilers.  It's done a lot for my peace of mind.

SPOILERS BELOW:
How is it even possible for Fett to have an 18 yr old grandchild?  He's, what, late fifties in the book?  If he had Aylin when he was 20 (highly unlikely), and Aylin had a kid when she was twenty, and the kid is now 18, that only adds up to 58.  Sounds like somebody was a teen parent, and somehow I doubt that it was Boba.

SPOILERS:......

Yeah, that is part I kinda scanned ahead to--a granddaughter??!!  that was a shocker!  And here, Ailyn being canon was enough of a surprise...LOL  Hmmm...yeah, that math seems to come to that conclusion.  I know a girl that had a baby at 15, if her daughter also has a kid at 15, the girl will be a grandmother at 30! 

I think I read somewhere (possibly here?) that Boba was supposed to have had Ailyn between 17-19 years old...maybe it was Wikipedia?  I'm not sure now.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

You know, I thought so to, but man, she gets whacked in an ugly way. And you feel bad. For her, for Fett, for what can't ever be.

Fett's grandaughter, however, is cool.

MORE SPOILERS

He's 70+ in the book, and it seems in the SW universe that 60 is near middle age, so I think they have a life span of about 120 - 130.  At one point he says he should have another good 30 years left, and he's serious about finding a way to make that happen. (Thank the GAWDS. I can't handle a dead Fett.)

One of the big issues, at least Fett calls attention to it, is Mando's constantly being so young, getting married, having kids, it's very interesting: only a few lines, but when you find out how it went down (and you only get a smattering) between him and his former wife, you realize there are some serious flaws in the system of youthful marriage. Man, if I'd married the guy I was dating at 16 (he used to be normal, last I heard he's coming back from a heroine addiction), I'd be in jail for murder right now. Interesting, Sintas was older than he was. The book says from Fett's view what happened between them, and because of him, on Concord Dawn, but doesn't get into the specifics of what really transpired (but you can read between the lines.) Makes you wonder what the next book will hold. He's both nostalgic, and bitter. Very bitter about how things should have lasted for ever and did not.

But I don't want to spoil any more. I already feel like such a heel with this. So much of the fun is finding it all out as you read. BUT I AM DYING TO TALK ABOUT THIS BOOK WITH EVERYONE SO HURRY UP AND FINISH!!!!  :P

She tried to kill Fett. That kind of makes her the enemy to folks like us. Granted, he left her and mom back in the day, but she's extreme. She's not portrayed in a pretty, likable way, though. I think the writing team and Traviss knew Ailynn really couldn't go on.

I feel sorry for Ailyn, but at the same time I'm glad that the possiblitie that she might actually succeed in killing Boba is no longer existant.  I was really worried about that, because lots of authors make the unlikely underdog beat the big tough guy out of sheer determination, and I was worried they might do that with Ailyn and Boba, but now I'm relieved.

SF

Yea i thought they might have Aylin take over from Boba.

Spoilers....***

Yup--I read that far so far.  Fett does say he's 71 and he has a daughter he hasn't seen in fifty years.  I too am glad Ailyn will not be the death of Boba.  I can see his death (whenever it may be) being a fight whether against a disease or whatever.  He will not go down easy.  Boba's death will be a good chunk of whatever book it might take place in.

But hopefully it will not take place at all.

SF

Han Solo hated Fett, and there has to be something wrong with you if you hate him for that reason.

But Solo no longer hates Fett.

SF

Ditto. Even if she did want him dead, even Fett would admit that she had a good reason. Plus, no one's even had much a chance to see her personality. Kind of unfair, really.

I find it kind of messed up that someone wish that kind of emotional pain on Fett.

The reason we hate her is because her existance partly ruins the character of Boba Fett that we have grown to know and admire.

SF

Exactly, even though I'm finding it a little more tolerable with Bloodlines.

But I do not not understand why people hate her, and not the idea.

I don't hate the idea.  If Fett had a cute, innocent daughter that he doted upon and who worshiped her father, then I would love it.  But Aylin is the exact opposite.  I just don't think Fett deserves to have a disfunctional family, so I resent her for it.  Maybe after I read Bloodlines I could like her.

Well, I don't hate her so much as the idea.  I guess I should have rephrased that when I said we hated her.

SF

That makes a little more sense to me. =)

I'm liking the idea of her a little more the more into Bloodlines I read...but I'm only on Ch. 7 so far!

I havn't even read it yet, I feel ignorant.

SF

*nods*
Yeah.
Oh, one thing before you continue reading, Just read Bloodlines,
THIS POST HAS SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPOILERS!!!!!!
Kapishe?
Now you can't say I didn't warn you:
The thing I hate most about what was done was the fact that Fett 'walked out' on Sinatas (wife...think that's the right name, I suck at remembering names). Now there are later attempts to explain this by saying he didn't think he could be a family man, he "didn't know how to be anything else [other than a hunter]" ....hmmmm. Since when in the Fett Legacy has Boba (or Jango for that matter) run out on something that they couldn't tackle at the offset. Fett...he's the epitone of perseverence, of taking things apart until  he can figure out how to make it work. I don't think his honor would allow him to disregard whatever vows were made to his wife, or let him walk away from his own progeny, especially with the 'ghost'* of Jango. As I said above, he would have *made* it work. He's Boba Fett!

So there's my little rant.

He would have gotten a clone if he wanted a legacy.

*Those not familar with my attempts at Fett fiction, the 'ghost' of Jango is very simply this little 'voice' of his father in Boba's mind, not an actual voice, a 'voice', Jango defined him, and Boba took the lessons of Jango very much to heart. Hence a 'ghost' Jango, seeming to watch his son's every move.

Thnk you for bringing that out, I couldn't have put it better.

SF

His age back when he was married to Sintas might have had something to do with it, but I agree that he is not one to just give up on something.  I need to get farther into Bloodlines to say much else about it yet...I'll probably have some more to add later on.

His age is a big part of it, at 17 people do different things entirely then they will when there 23 or some other age

Okay. In short, here's where I stand.

I hate Sintas. Loathe. Dispise. Revile. Don't get me going, I've made this all very clear before.

HOWEVER I like Ailyn's concept. I actually played a character much like her once: her father walked out on her mother before she was born with the promise that he'd be back. Never did. and then her mother died when she was three. Most unfortunately, I'm one of those people who becomes attached to their characters and whatever they go through, I go through with them. So after that I have to say that I feel Ailyn's pain. And Boba Fett or not, I would have reacted the same way. And it's the curse of the Fett family to not grow up normally. It's just her existance that irks me, not so much Ailyn herself.

Which brings me to my second point: Boba had to suffer. That's just Boba. He's suffered since he was ten years old and it seems as if he doesn't know how to exist without some sort of strain on him. Now, I'm getting the impression that he married Sintas at 17. If this is the case, I can simply say that he shouldn't have done that. If he was raised with and living with his people I could see that very easily. But he wasn't. His head's just not screwed on right, and that's the price that he pays for it. Sad, but a necesary evil. Besides, if his life was all peaches and cream we wouldn't love him so much.

But either way I'd like to !@#$%slap him so hard that it'd make Jango sit up and rub his face. It doesn't matter what's going on, you don't walk out on your child. Ever. I find it very hypocritical of him to hate people who try to use their kids to bargain their way out of capture when he's less than a good father himself. He said something to the effect that any father should put their child(ren) first. Leaving your wife and child to fend for themselves, regardless of the alternative, is unacceptable. He never should have made that sort of commitment: he made a promise he couldn't keep. Stupid, pitiful, miserable Boba. Bah! Here I am ready to kick his shebs up to his shoulders and I still feel sorry for him.

So, Sintas bad, Boba screwy, Ailyn... well, she has yet to be determined. You guys can yell at me now.

I'm not gonna yell. :D
I'm actually in the process of writing some fanfic about this.
Are you an actress, BTW? What have you been in?

That would be kind of hard...without a face to rub.  :P

Me, I've said it before...I never approve of canonizing Tales, and I dislike where Karen Traviss is taking the character of Boba Fett. 

If any of you remember Wonko the Sane and the "boba cant be jaster" war-thread, I predict the same here...divisions between classic Fett and Traviss Fett.  Which side will prevail?...

this one sides with the "true Fett."  Let the jihad begin...   ;)

Would we feel different about her if she was a guy instead?

I have bought Bloodlines today and so far i have liked it i think his personality is farly similar i think was the most important thing.

i Havent started it yet, its my goal this coming weekend to read it through.

1-Now, now, no need to slap Boba. Slap Travis. She created this...this...blasphemous plot line (actually the little infidel didn't even create it she stole it from Tales. Then made it 'canon' *shudder* and making Tales canon? that's just wrong to start with...)

2- :D "true Fett" yep, let us go forth and smash the infidels...or at the very least poke them a bit. :cool:

I think the book hinted something about him killing his mentor on Concord Dawn. I expect that played into it. Also, I think Sintas had something to do with it as well, because of the way he references how the six lines were supposed to be forever and were over in three years (the wedding vows). And in A Practical Man, he also says how he can NEVER go back to Concord Dawn. I think we only have the beginning of the tale.

I think you can like aspects of both. Some pre-Traviss Fett was ham fisted, too. It's not all wine and roses, those old days.

But you leave out another element: fan fic. There's Traviss, there's pre Traviss, and then there are all the permutations of Fett in fan fic. I look at it all as a bunch of rumor, pick what you like, discard the rest.

Ailyn or Sintas? Sorry, couldn't resist.
No, I don't think so, it's the way the character was dropped in out of nowhere, with no real build up. Kind of like someone throwing acid in your face before you've had your first cup of coffee.

I guess, but i question whether or not it would be different, i mean father son bound in a situation that Boba grew up in may have changed  the outcome.

I won't yell at ya either, but in real life, I grew up without a father.  I met him when I was 18, and have been in contact with him since, though it has been a few years since I have seen him.  As far as I know, mom and dad left each other before I was born, and I've still not really been able to ask what exactly happened between them.  They were both in the Army--things happen.  Mom finished her enlistment, then got out not long after I was born, Dad stayed in a few more years--that might have had something to do with it, I don't know.   Anyway, sometimes it's better for the child(ren) if the parents are separated in situations where the parents fight all the time or just don't love each other anymore.  In my opinion, it's better to try to get on with a normal life than to live in an unhappy one where everyone in the family suffers--no matter what promises were made.

Now, I'm on chapter 11 of Bloodlines--I like Boba in this book so far.   I really like how we get to see into his mind a bit more.  I do agree that Ailyn seemed to kinda be dropped in, but I'd still like to see how this story ends.  I can't find the quote now, but I agree with whoever suggested that if Boba's life didn't have this "suffering" in it, his character would be very different, and he wouldn't be the same Boba we love today.