Topic: Do you think Boba Fett is Force sensitive and why?

It was recently brought up in the FETT UNMASKED thread that one of the Star Wars RPG games possibly had Boba Fett as being Force sensitive.

I was wondering what everyone elses thoughts were on this?  I know I personally don't think he is, because I don't consider the RPG's a source of cannon for Fett lore.  However, many consider the Expanded Universe books as a source of cannon.  More specifically, Tales from Jabba's Palace, The Bounty Hunter Wars, and Tales of the Bounty Hunters, gives us a very in depth look at Boba Fett, as a character.  Lucas, though, has pretty much said, that if it wasn't in the actual movie, then it's not really cannon, per say.  This was shown when the Jaster Mereel origin of Boba Fett, as told in Tales of the Bounty Hunters, was ignored entirely, in favor of Boba being an unaltered clone of Jango Fett.  So, if that part of the story can't be considered cannon, how then, can the rest of the story be?  It would seem, then, we sometimes pick and choose what we would like to be cannon, in regards to our favorite bounty hunter.  The comic book, Jango Fett: Open Seasons, helped tidy up a bit, the Jaster Mereel part of the Boba Fett myhos, however, what makes these more plausible as a cannon source than an RPG game?  After all, wasn't Jodo Kast's first appearance chronicled in the Star Wars RPG "Tatooine Manhunt?" 

I do recall, at one time, there was a list of midi-chlorian counts that was floating around.  It was on Supershadow's webpage, who is not considered to be a very reliable source, so where he obtained this info is beyond me.  However, it listed all the main characters in the Star Wars universe, with Anakin Skywalker being at the top, of course.  Boba and Jango Fett were listed there as well, albeit with a very low count.  One that a "normal" person would have, since supposedly "everyone" has midi-chlorians floating around in them.  It's just the one's with an extraordinarily high count that end up becoming Jedi.

Midi-Chlorian count list:
http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/midi.html

So, what do you think?  Boba Fett: Force sensitive or not?  Since this is sure to be a debated topic, I would remind everyone of the FORUM rules and to be mindful of them.  Don't get all bent out of shape over nothing.  Remember, IT'S JUST A MOVIE AND IT'S ALL MAKE BELIEVE.  Be respectful of everyone's opinions, no matter what they may be.  Just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion, doesn't give you the right to make chiding, degrading, or threatening comments.  Such conduct is not tolerated on the boards.  Now, debate away!!

Where did that list originate from?  I've got a problem with Jango and Boba having such a low rating, especially compared to Chewy!!  How about these facts, (considering all sources open): 

Jango drew and gunned down an armed jedi. 

Jango went toe to toe with Obi-wan and not only survived, but nearly beat him! 

Jango qualified as the blueprint of the ultimate soldier.

Boba outflew/outgunned/outdid four IG-88s in short order.

Boba's only non-jedi threat in a quick-draw is Han Solo (and he's as fast as his ship). 

Boba kept his mind intact in the maddening telepathic belly of the Sarlecc. 

These are all minor miracles that no ordinary being could accomplish...

What?

I do not trust SuperShadow one bit. According to him, he is friends with George Lucas, has the scripts to "Episodes Seven, Eight, and Nine."

Fett is no ordinary being. Fett has had a lot of experiance.

I don't trust Supershadow either. I also don't think RPG materal is canon. I always figured RPG books tended to twist things to better fit the game-play. Like in those Choose Your Own Adventure SW books, there wasn't really this unnamed character running around, cause this character was created to be played by you while you read the book.

As for darkside-lightside points... in KOTOR everyone has a chart of how light side and dark side they are. Doesn't mean they're Force sensative at all. Like Carth appeared as medium light side. But he couldn't use the Force at all. Should we assume Carth is Force Sensative just because he has light side points?

The dark/light rating in KOTOR must reflect a character's alignment, like the good/evil & law/chaos standings from D&D.  In the SW rpg, only characters with Force sensitivity can accumulate those points.  Other characters have character points that they can use to "get real lucky", like that infamous moment after Solo said "Boba Fett?!  Where?!"  Sorry to have to use that example.  It was rude, crude, and socially unacceptable.

I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be Force sensitive. Being Force sensitive doesn't automatically put you in the Jedi range. I think he knows of his sensitivity only as "instincts".

To be a Jedi,a person must have over 7.000 midichlorians.Boba may be force sensitive but 1st:He lived in an era when the Jedi order didn't exist.And 2nd:If he was considered for Sith training,he wouldn't make it because the Emperor believed in "A master,1 apprentice at a time"So Boba was better used as a bounty hunter thanks to his advanced reflexes and senses.

So it's likely then that if his midichlorians were in the accepted range, Sidious and Vader would have left him alone, and not kill him, because of his servitude to the Empire.  They would have ignored his potential and just kept him busy.

We should have a word with whoever rated the Fetts at 1500.

Yeah,most likely.

What part of "This guy is so amazing that he and his father must surely have an abundance of midichlorians enhancing their actions." didn't you understand.  :P

LOL! :lol:

But, see, now that's the same as the superman vs batman thing. Batman's good cause he gets his superpowers by working for them, he's someone anyone could be if they tried hard enough though likely they'd fail, cause Batman just is that good. Superman gets his powers naturally cause he was born with them. Now, which would Boba and Jango be? The "Meh, I was born this way, I don't have to work for anything." type? Or the "I worked hard for this, so I deserve every bit of the reward I get." type? I'm not sure if this made sense to any of you, but it did to me when it was still in my head instead if in writing.

Yeah,Miba you have a point.But personally I think both Jango and Boba worked hard.Although Draco won't agree with the Jango part.... ;)

He might be

welcome to BFFC Complex Hunter. :)

And I think Boba might have a lil force sensitiveness in him. Who knows....

TW

Thankes for the welcome dude

Sure, dude. :)

He,hehe.....nice point. VERY nice point, DMC. He's totaly right. But Boba DID live in an era when the jedi order existed, just not for long. And I also agree with CCDF on Fett not having to be jedi to be force sensitive. Everyone has the force in them, they just might not be strong with it.

TW

Oh, there's no doubt that they've both earned their way to greatness, but we're talking about superhuman levels, aren't we?  Boba Fett could eat Batman for breakfast fresh out of a dead sleep.  True, he couldn't stand for long against Superman, but who could?  I know it sounds like I'm not taking this very seriously, so I'll get back on track.

The Fetts should be rated at an intermediate level of Force Sensitivity, I'd put them in Chewy's place at 7200 "mcs".  Chewy would have been trained by Yoda if he had that high of a rating, so I'd bump him down to under 7k, say 4 or 5k.  While I'm at it, let's kick Mace Windu upstairs where he belongs to 4th place at 16k mcs, (he was winning against Palpatine, after all, until the Atomic Punk showed up).  And lastly, I've always felt that Solo himself was fairly close to having it at his disposal, so he would have 6900 mcs.

What say you?

He's not. Next question.

Killjoy!  Prove he's not with an argument, if you can.

I still don't think he is force sensitive.  I've made my argument for it above, though.  However, if you want to get technical, according to the Star Wars universe, every living thing has midichlorians in it.  Therefore, every living thing would be force sensitive, right?  See, I don't believe that.  Or that's probably why they came up with that Midi-chlorian count, in order to separate the "average" midichlorian count from the "Jedi" level count.  It's been stated somewhere before that all Wookies have an above average connection to the Force, but that doesn't make them all Jedi.  I think that Han and the Fett's have that "average" human being midi-chlorian count.  They got where they are by hard work, determination, and sheer force of will.

Well, yeah, Boba would deffinately defeat Batman, and maybe Superman too. But that wasn't really what I meant. lol I was trying to be relative... metaphorical... whichever word's the right one.

As for Mace, he wasn't really winning against Palpatine. Did you ever catch the line where Palpatine says "Power! Unlimited power!!!"? Well, that was Palpatine telling Mace he was fool for thinking he could defeat him cause the Dark Side gives him unlimited power and as such he could have taken Mace at any time, and the only reason he didn't was cause he was waiting for Anakin to be there so Anakin could see them setup with Mace cornering Palpatine. Really now, if Palpatine was "too weak" he couldn't have suddenly zapped Mace again, and sat up like that with so much energy. Unless he was faking Palpatine has one hell of a recovery rate. But I guess that's not what this topic is for...

So anyway, I don't think Boba's all that Force Sensative, maybe a slight bit but not much at all.

In the book to Episode III, Mace brings the fight over to the window and shatters the window, letting in the rain and making the footing treacherous, knowing that it will distract a Sith Lord who is ruled by fear and ego.  He disarms Sideous and is channeling his Force Strike back into him, melting the bones in his face with his own fury.  Sideous somehow survived those effects but it doesn't explain how other than mentioning the reshaping of his skull.  But they were both on the verge of losing control.  It seemed that Windu would have won at the expense of his own life, but the Emperor was going down quicker, and would have perished before Mace lost his ability to redirect the energy with his own Vapraak style of combat and philosophy which functions in a gray area to the Dark Side.

I accept this as cannon since Lucas must have approved the writing.

Of course you weren't suggesting a match between Fett and the others, Miba.  I was just trying to be funny and cryptic.  My wit doesn't always fly, and when it does I sometimes end up smashing into a sailbarge.  Ouch, there I go again with the Boba puns!

Even if Fett was Force-sensative, he would probably not use it, as he hates the Jedi.

(until I read the ROTS novel I won't reply to the other part)

The other joke might have been sarlacc food, but this one was good! hehe...

I would like to think that he is subconsciously force-sensitive, but I don't think he is just because it doesn't seem like something GL would approve.  That and, for once, I believe Supershadow's midichlorian chart.

I dont think he is force sensitive i think he just has really fast reflexes like it says in bhw.

Wow, I never saw that SuperShadow thing before. That guy's full of crap.

Easily. This is what destroyed all the other Expanded Universe novels and theories around Boba Fett. Is he shown using the force or is it acknowledged in any of the films? No. Then he isn't. No books count, not even novelizations, in the "canon" world.

i don't think boba fett force sensitive because jango wasn't(as far as i know).and if jango was force sensitive then the clones would be force sensitive and that's just the kaminoans wanted.but he wasn't and the clones didn't have the force soooo i don't think boba has the force.and anyway the jedi would have sensed the force in boba at geonosisor obi wan at kamino.

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TW

My point is that he may have the Dark Side of the Force without understanding it, and it enhances his actions.  The Jedi Counsel never detected Darth Sidious, so perhaps the Dark Side naturally conceals itself.

Maybe...But I don't think he can control the force.

Right, that would take training and a high level of mcs.  But couldn't it be used as a booster to your actions, like in the game?

If you're untrained and it only boosts you, then how can you be Light Side or Dark Side? The Force is the Force, it's how you use it that makes you Light or Dark. The Dark Side is not it's own Force. And if it's only there to boost your reflexes or something, then how is that light or dark? I would think Jedi need fast reflexes as much as Sith do?

Edit: Oops, I have no idea why I typed trailed instead of trained. But I fixed it.

but don't forget that sidious was ver adept at the dark side and he could conceal his force.the jedi could not find him because he was adept at concealing the force.yet yoda still sensed the dark side but could not pinpoint it.but if you're say a padawan you probably couldn't conceal your powers from a force sensitive being.therefore if boba fett was force sensitive he would be detected as would the clones.but if you're saying he had above average human midichlorians and yet he was still under 7000 then i think the force could boost his actions without the force sensitives noticing.

it's a 50/50 chance either way.

Although I'd have to say no, because if he was it would ruin the character for me.

Yeah,I agree with Maltese.

It's a definate mindset in each case.  Jedi get their focus in a Zen manner of peacefulness, (Qui-Gon Jinn resting before forcefield drops), and the Sith focusing their wills through passion, (Darth Maul pacing and slapping at that forcefield with his saber).  In the Fett trilogy, I read numerous occasions where he got miffed just before doing something incredible.

Not being able to take anything from non-movie sources kills my argument, though, and makes Lucas the first and only authority.  This suits only him, and he is the man who concealed Jason Wingreen's identity from us, and later denied us of that amazing voice altogether, neutering our esteemed hero.

Oh, I don't mind EU sources at all. It was Eric who didn't want EU sources.

It's been 5+ years since I read the BHW trilogy so I forgot some parts of it by now. But what you said does sound right. About being miffed, but miffingness isn't the Dark Side, I found some of the Jedi to be miffeled at times. I always thought of Boba as being sorta calm? Not really passionate and hateful. Then again he's not really all nice and peaceful all the time. I'd say if he does have Force Sensativity he'd be more in the grey area Dark Jedi fall into.

So if someone is talented you say well, he might have the force and that's the reason why?
Good sir, I find that very notion insulting.

Yes, but not for the uncommonly talented, for the rarely gifted and supremely skilled.  We're talking about the Top Dog of warriors whose wallet would read "Baddest Mo-Fo In The Hezouse" in our modern expressions.  He compares to John Wayne (legendary toughness) and Clint Eastwood (laconic, taciturn,and deadlyness), to Jack Nicholson (edged voice), to Chuck Norris (combat and tenacity), and to Rommel (tactical genius).  He embodies the highest level of intimidation without even being tall.  He even gets away with having a first name that most people find dorky.  Boba isn't just talented and skilled, he's Talented and Skilled!  Fett's The Man, and there must be more going on under the surface than just a lot of favorable opportunity, positive attitude, and hard-earned experience.

When you mentioned the guy with the wallet that reads "Baddest Mo-Fo," I suddenly pictured Samuel L. Jackson and John Travolta sitting in Dex's diner in Jedi robes, getting robbed by that Deathstick dealer guy.

"It's the lightsaber that says, Bad Mo-Fo on it."

:D

lol  Yeah, it's written in purple LED lights on the grip, and John Travolta goes by his last name but is addicted to spice instead of smack.

Precisely one of the reasons I absolutely hate Mace and SJ. This is SW. You know, the space opera, the classic legend, the romantic (not love, the other meaning of romantic) story, the beautiful tale? Not some punked up junkey peice of garbage where a few ego guys go around killing people.

Anyway, yes, Boba is indeed all of that. But I tend to think he did it on his own. But I thought Boba was tall? When I added it up he's about 6'. It was on some meters to feet site. But I have no idea which one cause I just picked the first one that came up on Google. And here's a good way to tell. When standing next to Vader Boba comes up to Vader's chin or so. Luke's about 5'9" I think and when he's next to Vader he comes up to Vader's shoulder.

Well, isn't Darth Vader's mechanical body a little taller than Anakin's original frame?

Yeah? Vader's 6'6" (or thereabouts) and Anakin was 6'2".

well maybe he grew? Or maybe its something in his suit, his boots, his helmet, or maybe his robotic legs were tall!!!. I honestly dont think hes 6'6 though......I think he grew a little and became like 6'4 or something....

TW

Maybe both.